Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber pistols as “official alternatives” to the M9 Beretta. But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000 JCPs.
SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But don’t hold your breath.
OK as long as I'm armed with my perfered choice of arms.
do a google search on the 'FBI Miami Shootout' and find out why the FBI switched to the .40 S&W and the .45 ACP.
Well this wouldn't be FR, if you didn't get flamed for any technical fauxpau ;-) But that's half the fun right?
It is a magazine.
I agree.
I shoot in a competitive 250 member LEO league (local to Federal) and I watch the various types of firearms in combat and off-duty leagues. It is very interesting how many of the 40 and 45 brands mentioned here jam. Be it ammo problems or gun problems. This high price fancy guns are senitive in my opinion to the time of day.
I call my gun a pig and have fired thousands of rounds without a jam. I have fired all brand kinds of ammo and reloads. I have had two no fires (reloads) because the primer was installed side ways.
If I were in a firefight, I want my gun to fire, and fire often. I definately do not want to be in a rack and clear to re-engage in the fight.
My pig. A GLOCK.
Sorry I didn't include you in my post 216.
I always suspected a revolver was also technically a pistol. Of course an automatic revolver also exists.
.357 sig will not work in a 9, the .357 sig is a necked down .40 s&w.
a spring loaded self contained ammo feeding mechanism removeable or not from a gun is a magazine. A mechanism for bundling up rounds to be inserted into a guns magazine, as in the MI Garand is a clip. also guns like the 03 springfield's magazine used stripper clips to feed the magazine but are removed before using the gun while the garand is fire with the clip in the magazine and it is then ejected after the last round.
there was one or two auto revolvers... at the begining of the 20th century...I believe the rusky's had one or two of those....
Have one of the first Kimber Custom Combats. It isthe most accurate "right out of the box" guns I've ever owned and paid less than $600 for it.
.45's don't have clips.
Thank You! Not many here understand the difference between a magazine and a clip.
The .45 is designed for close range, as would any sidearm be designed.
I had one. I couldn't shoot it accurately either. I have a Ruger now.
Having been in the steel business for 30+ years, a .22 will not "Bounce off" the skin of a car. The next time you figure out where your car is, take an ice pick (those pointy thingies) and observe a hole in your car.
Too mant people have been watching too many movies.
Our neighbor who is an LEO carries a Glock in .40 instead of a 9mm. His resoning is that the 9mm is less effective than a 9mm in a glancing shot on a windshield at 45 degrees.
When he carries in civilian dress, he carries a Sig P232.
correction 9mm than a .40
From what I have read, the Webley-Fosbery was a decent performer.
I shot it at an old junk car in the woods and was surprised it went right through one door but got lodged in the other side.
I haven't read the whole thread yet, so this may be a repeat, but this should be in the Breaking News section!
Clips are defined as having no moving parts unlike a magazine with a spring. Not many "clips" in use with modern arms contrary to the wide spread use of the word.
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