Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases

AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/29/06 | AP

[BykrBayb]

Thanks for providing the link that proves Frist didn't lie. That's nowhere close to a diagnosis. It's very similar to the tone my own doctor took when explaining that I needed further tests to determine if I had cancer. I didn't accept his advice as a diagnosis and begin chemotherapy and radiation. I got the tests he recommended. Terri wasn't allowed to get the tests that were recommended by Frist and so many others.

[firewalk]

I tried to engage you to give your point of view, but you just want to insult me...

You're insulted?
Good.
Now maybe you'll find someone else to post to.

[HairOfTheDog]

You're an example of the immaturity and hysteria on your side of this debate.

[firewalk]

just can't help yourself can you...

[HairOfTheDog]

Help me out here... I can tell you have something you want to say, I just don't know what it is.

[syriacus]

Sometimes the will of the People is evil, and the job of a just goverment is to turn away that evil will and do what is just, regardless.

Especially because bystanders are usually dragged into the supposedly private/family decision.

That happens because, whenever one person or group is guaranteed "rights," another group or person gets obligations to enforce or carry out those "rights." The people who are asked to enforce or carry out those "rights" may believe they are forced to act against their consciences.

• Pharmacists are told they must distribute "morning after pills."
• Police are told they must make sure the starvation of a brain damaged patient is not interferred with*
• Med students are told they must learn to perform abortions
• Will Justices of the peace be told they must marry same sex couples?

* "[Nancy Cruzan, three days before her death from starvation] turned and looked at me and stared at me with a panicky look, sweating profusely, and the thought I had was, she was thinking, ‘Oh, here’s a policeman, he’ll help me.’ But we weren’t allowed to do that,"...Doug Seneker

[Appalled but Not Surprised]

Thank you. YOU get it.

[mware]

So much for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

[syriacus]

I had to memorize lines from Goethe's eerie poem, Der Erlenkoenig in High school

Wer reitet so spaet durch Nacht und Wind?
Es ist der Vater mit seinem Kind.
Er hat den Knaben wohl in dem Arm,
Er fasst ihn sicher, er haelt ihn warm. [snip]
In seinen Armen das Kind war tot.

In the poem, the father keeps assuring his son that there is nothing to fear. In the end, his son is dead in his arms.

Felos's tongue-flicking assurances that Terri felt no pain were most likely untrue.
Felos not only made sure Terri died, he made sure she died in a horrible way.

[syriacus]

Thank you. YOU get it.

I heard someone mention a this idea on TV about 2 weeks ago. When some folks demand rights for themselves they are, in reality, placing obligations on others, even though they pretend the whole situation is private.

The attempts of the pro-deathers to drag in unwilling outsiders is nauseating.

[Jim Noble]

I have been involved with dying patients since 1976.

Every single law or regulation passed since then (and they are, by now, innumerable) has made the situation worse.

Those who say, don't know and those who know, don't say.

[Drango]

The American people don't want you involved in these decisions.

Word up!

[DLfromthedesert]

The government, in the form of a court, was already involved. What was wrong with giving the parents a say when the "husband" already had another life?

[presently no screen name]

You followed my lead.

[DLfromthedesert]

Gee, so you think feeding is such a big advance in technology?

[DLfromthedesert]

Or go to present day Holland.

[DLfromthedesert]

Did you tell that to the clueless judge who allowed the "husband" to starve this woman to death? It was not HER decision, or her parents, just someone who profited from her death.

[DLfromthedesert]

If Schiavo had allowed her true family members to make the decision, it would have remained private.

[Wheee The People]

So much for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

My "Pursuit of Happiness" doesn't include being keep alive against my will.

[DLfromthedesert]

That would not happen in most cases; this was an unusual case because a stranger who called himself a husband did not defer to the people who really loved this woman.