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1 posted on 01/29/2006 7:58:44 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

It appears to be an elective at the university level.

No problem.


2 posted on 01/29/2006 8:02:10 AM PST by From many - one.
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You have mistaken a lecture for an entire course, I'm afraid. Yes, this course in "Philosophy of Biology" does include a discussion of I.D. in one lecture. That wouldn't be surprising in a course on philosopy.

I think you'd be surprised, though, at the rest of the lectures and the supporting literature recommended to the students.


3 posted on 01/29/2006 8:02:27 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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If they want to teach philosophy of ID, FSM, or Elmer Fudd the Divine, I have no problem with it. Teaching it as scientific theory is another matter.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 8:13:11 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: SirLinksalot; PatrickHenry

Even though I view ID as fake science and bad religion, it is appropriate in this context:

1. It is called philosophy, not science. (It is bad philosophy also, IMHO, but at least they are not pretending it is science).

2. It is an elective.

3. It is at the college level.

Look, we have courses in the US on the sociology of TV sitcoms. Teaching ID in that context can't be all that bad. It's when they compare ID to, well, biology or physics that I have a problem.


5 posted on 01/29/2006 8:15:20 AM PST by 2ndreconmarine (Horse feces (929 citations) vs ID (0 citations) and horse feces wins!!!!!)
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To: SirLinksalot
In philosophy of science courses they can teach "earth, fire, air, water" theory (the 'four elements' idea, in force since pre-Socratic times, and persisting throughout the Middle Ages).

In Taoism there is a similar system, which includes Metal and Wood but excludes Air.

The Panchamahabhuta, or "five great elements," of Hinduism are Prithvi or Bhumi (Earth), Ap or Jala (Water), Agni or Tejas (Fire), Vayu or Pavan (Air or Wind), and Akasha (Aether, in both it's elemental and mythological senses).

Japanese traditions use a set of elements called the 五大 (go dai, literally "five great"). These five are earth, water, fire, wind, and void. These came from Buddhist beliefs; the classical Chinese elements (五行) are also prominent in Japanese culture.

In a course specifically on the philosophy of biology, one could imagine covering Lamarckism, and even mention Lysenkoism (ie Michurinism - and mention how in 1948 in the Soviet, genetics was officially declared "a bourgeois pseudoscience", because it interfered with dearly held preconceptions of certain morons). ID is a natural fit for such a course.

6 posted on 01/29/2006 8:22:39 AM PST by M203M4
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FYI, Bern isn't the only University that teaches Intelligent Design.

Arizona State University Professor of Evolutionary Biology John Lynch admits he teaches something on the topic of intelligent design. I don't know what it is he teaches about it but this is not the point.

A lot of high school biology profs inform students that teaching evolution at the high school level is done in some measure to prepare students for what they will eventually encounter at the college level when they take up a course that requires biology as a pre-requisite.

Fine, I'll take this as a given -- College Preparation. This is a very reasonable position IMHO.

But this gives rise to the next question, if they’re also teaching ID at the college level and in a state university at that, what justification is there for banning the mere mention of ID and that hundreds of scientists hold this view at the high school level ?

If teaching ID at the college level is to be expected ( e.g., University of Arizone), shouldn’t we be preparing high school students for what they’ll encounter in college with regard to ID in the same way we prepare them for evolution ?


SEE HERE FOR PROF. JOHN LYNCH's admission :

http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2006/01/i_admit_it_i_teach_intelligent.php





I admit it ... I teach intelligent design
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I just don't get it. Over at Uncommon Descent, Dembski posts on a course in the philosophy of biology at the University of Bern (Switzerland) that includes a single lecture (of ten) that discusses ID, and commentators are acting like this is a big deal.

Guys, there are courses all over this country that deal with ID, though probably not in a manner that the IDists would be happy with. For example, my BIO/HPS: Origins, Evolution and Creation course has been dealing with ID since its inception in 1998 and this semester will feature over 18 hours (nearly half the course) of lectures on ID.

The point is that it is perfectly appropriate to deal with ID at the university level. Those of us that object to ID being taught object to it being foisted on public high school science classes, either as "intelligent design" or as "teaching the controversy".



8 posted on 01/30/2006 9:08:03 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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