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Oppressive Knife Laws
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Posted on 01/28/2006 6:11:13 PM PST by Copernicus

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To: elmer fudd

Yeah people do the darnest things to protect themselves and then they drive like they are nuts in a snowstorm. Cars are far more dangerous than guns and we don't have bans on the cars that are involved in the most accidents. Maybe I shouldn't give them ideas but eventually we are going to see that angle taken because it could be very profitable. I think one reason you don't see such calls is because it would be a political disaster, the left being more about easy marks than any real idealogy.


41 posted on 01/28/2006 9:49:56 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm (Learning to laugh at yourself means you will never be lacking entertainment.)
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To: A. Pole; All

For proof of this go read the blue laws on www.dumblaws.com


42 posted on 01/28/2006 11:02:27 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: razorback-bert

Name one of what at least Bert !.....:o)


43 posted on 01/29/2006 2:12:05 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Copernicus

Only knife I need is my Dewalt recipricating saw and my blades of choice are my 10 inch ripper, masonary blade, and chop blade. Of course I love my dry wall knife and chain saws too.


44 posted on 01/29/2006 2:45:51 AM PST by Porterville (Keep your communism off my paycheck)
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To: yarddog
In 1980 I was in the Houston, Texas area. Long hot dry summer. The ground had cracks in it that measured three feet deep. We tried fishing an area they called "The Break," a kind of Everglades--completely waterless save a small creek where we caught some bream. The boat stayed in the back of the truck.

Our lodgings were not air-conditioned so we found time to go to a local shopping mall, several stories high, large open atrium in the middle. A friend wanted to buy a stainless steel knife so we stopped at a knife shop and he purchased one.

Going in and coming out, we wondered why the mall had so many police in pairs walking the corridors. When we met up with the rest of our party, we learned that Mr. Reagan and Bush senior were making an appearance--this was just after the convention.

We were never stopped or given a second look, as far as I know. But we didn't stick around, either.

45 posted on 01/29/2006 4:27:28 AM PST by Simo Hayha (An education is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend oneself against harm.)
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To: Copernicus
Great article, thanks.

Knives require a slightly higher level of commitment than guns to be functional as weapons, but anyone who doubts their effectiveness as such is denying the obvious.

TAD GEAR - STRIDER

No one had a knife to cut him out and he was choked to death

OTOH, restricting them in the hands of the lawful citizen is criminal.

46 posted on 01/29/2006 4:45:24 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Excellent post. I once read a magazine article by Massad Ayoub in which he mentioned that from across an open room an ordinarily fit adult male can close and stab you in the heart in one and a half seconds.

He mentioned it in the context of the fact that he often testifies to juries as an expert witness about this issue, when someone is on trial for shooting someone who was armed with "only" a knife.

I've also posted many times on this forum that the key tactical advantage that firearms offer is the advantage of distance. You don't have to close with an enemy to kill / disable them. Of course, as I like to semi-jokingly point out, knives don't run out of ammunition, either.

47 posted on 01/29/2006 4:55:07 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bush spied so that no one died.)
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To: R W Reactionairy

"possession of a slingshot is a felony in New Jersey"


They'll get my wrist rocket when they pry it off my cold dead wrist lol


48 posted on 01/29/2006 5:01:58 AM PST by Figment
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49 posted on 01/29/2006 5:17:28 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Lurker

My wife borrows my stone to hone her instruments, I never seem to have it around when I need it. Instead I use this barely passable ceramic sharpener.


50 posted on 01/29/2006 7:36:16 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
I used to keep all my knives shaving sharp and I have over a hundred. The Soft, then Hard, Arkansas stones are ideal for putting a razor edge on a blade.

In my old age, I have gotten lazy. I use a powered automatic diamond hone then dress it off with a ceramic rod or steel.

It is not quite as sharp but cuts well and is so much less trouble.

51 posted on 01/29/2006 8:07:26 AM PST by yarddog
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To: R W Reactionairy
Numchucks are on a list deserving of a life sentence in Massachusetts. I swear I am not making this up. It is so far beyond insane I can't even see straight.
52 posted on 01/29/2006 8:15:47 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Bear_Slayer

You can get a CCW in MOntana for a knife, but I am not sure if that permits switchblades or gravity knives, either.


53 posted on 01/29/2006 8:21:48 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Copernicus
Most states and cities ban knives on school property. Many parents unknowingly break the law every morning when they drop their children off in the school parking lot. The penalties are often harsh and involve a felony.

My 17 year old son religiously parks on the street at least a block from school, since there is always a knife and hatchet in the truck.

54 posted on 01/29/2006 8:23:00 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: Joe Brower

ping Good reading for firearms owners, too.


55 posted on 01/29/2006 8:26:43 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Copernicus

"To the true puritan -- whether pious Christian, secular humanist, or leveling socialist -- notions of rights and responsibilities are meaningless. All that matters is the prevention of sin. No form of prior restraint can be too severe, if it advances this fundamental goal."

I think they won.


56 posted on 01/29/2006 8:30:31 AM PST by dljordan
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To: The Antiyuppie

The laws on automatic knives are pretty strange.

As I understand it, here are some highlights.

1. Unless the state you live in specifically bans them, you can carry them IF they are made in that state.

2. You can carry one if you are a cop, or a member of the armed forces.

3. You can carry one if you are a firefighter, or an emergency services person.

4. Legally, you can own them in the majority of states, but as I read it, you cannot carry it from state to state, unless you fit in one of the top categories.

5. You can send it via UPS or FED EX, but not by U.S. Mail.

Confusing? Yep.


57 posted on 01/29/2006 8:32:08 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: muawiyah
Zon wrote:

Very good article. It applies far beyond the narrow scope of knives. Many people on this forum would agree with its narrow scope but contradict themselves on it's wider application to issues such as the war on drugs, anti-smoking laws, pornography and other inalienable rights.

"-- puritanism's unbroken record of failure will not stop people from trying again and again.
Every new generation is born with faith in the power of magic words -- written laws -- to prevent sin.
And every American generation for the past century and a half has produced its own new wave of oppressive and futile [prohibitive] laws. --"

As you note Zon, great essay..
Lets see what some of FR's foremost prohibitionists have to say about the war on knives..
28 tpaine

muawiyah:
The writer certainly put together a lot of stuff on knives, but he attributed the anti-knife legislation of the early part of the 20th century to "bombings".

The 'anarchist threat' of that era is much akin to the mad bomber threat of today. -- Both can be used to effect repressive 'laws' on carrying arms.

Things like that always make me begin doubting the "conclusions" in such pieces ~ not necessarily the "facts" or "factoids", but the secondary results of too-casual analysis of the situation.

Whats "too-casual" about the fact that we are losing the right to carry arms without licensing laws? Why would you doubt that conclusion?

Frankly, once you've missed being "bombed" you develop a clear-cut aversion to the idea that bombers should be allowed to run loose.

How do you develop a clear cut test to separate potential bombers from ordinary citizens and prevent them from "running loose"? Lord forbid that in allowing citizens to 'run loose' we encourage mad bombers to do so.

The Democrats, on the other hand, think nothing of mad bombers getting Presidential pardons or commutations of sentence. We even have a case where one convicted bomber became a serious campaign advisor to the highest levels of the Democratic party (SEE: Brent Kimberlin for example).

Thus we conservatives should institute repressive laws on concealed weapons in order to insure that mad bombers can't run loose carrying? -- [or am I making a too-casual analysis of your ideas about the situation?]

58 posted on 01/29/2006 8:41:13 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Smokin' Joe
You can get a CCW in MOntana for a knife,

Would CCW for handgun also cover a knife?

BTW - What is a gravity knife?

59 posted on 01/29/2006 9:03:43 AM PST by Bear_Slayer
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To: R W Reactionairy
"Things are tough [and very stupid] all over --- possession of a slingshot is a felony in New Jersey."

I'm actually a pretty good shot with an atlatl. Does that meet N.J.'s definition? Sure, I'll look funny with a spear strapped to my back but better safe than sorry :)
60 posted on 01/29/2006 9:23:37 AM PST by ndt
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