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To: Don Joe
I'd really like to know how to tell from a news article that five arbitrary Mexican criminals are not among the growing number of Mexican Muslims.

According to an article written by Natascha Garvin (Conversion & Conflict - Muslims in Mexico) in the Spring of 2005 the Muslim community in Mexico is 1000 out of a population of 97,500,000 inhabitants. The statistical possibilities speak for themselves.

However, an easier way for someone like yourself to know how to tell from a news article that 5 arbitrary Mexicans are not among the growing number of Mexican Muslims is to very carefully look for the words "5 Mexican Muslims" in the article. GEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!! :)

105 posted on 01/28/2006 9:49:14 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: hflynn

This is definitely going to be the thing that will bring the Republicans down is their refusal to protect the borders in the interest of making sure businesses have cheap labor. Even Freepers won't be able to justify their behavior.


106 posted on 01/28/2006 9:54:23 AM PST by outofhere2
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To: hflynn
According to an article written by Natascha Garvin (Conversion & Conflict - Muslims in Mexico) in the Spring of 2005 the Muslim community in Mexico is 1000 out of a population of 97,500,000 inhabitants. The statistical possibilities speak for themselves.

Two comments: I know nothing of that source -- of its credibility or validity, but, I do think it quite likely that the radical Muslim converts are not going to be very likely to go sign up for registry to be counted. It is no secret that Islam is growing very rapidly in Latin America, due to a very intensive "outreach" effort. I do not place much confidence in the happytalk numbers you provided.

However, an easier way for someone like yourself to know how to tell from a news article that 5 arbitrary Mexicans are not among the growing number of Mexican Muslims is to very carefully look for the words "5 Mexican Muslims" in the article. GEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!! :)

Now this is interesting. Exactly what do you mean by "someone like yourself"?

You know nothing of me. You do not know who I am, nor do you have any clue as to my profession.

As fortune would have it, I happen to be a fairly well-known figure in a certain realm involving computer programming, including the authorship of books and magazine articles on the topic. As such, I like to think I've got at least a cursory grasp of the fundamentals of logic.

Therefore I am rather confident that I'm on solid ground when I inform you that your attempt to "prove a negative" is rather comical. The absence of any text labeling the five Mexicans in question as "Muslims" does NOT indicate that they are not Muslims. The only thing it indicates is that they are Mexicans!

It does not say that they are short Mexicans. Shall we thus assume that they are tall Mexicans?

It does not say that they are tone-deaf Mexicans. Shall we thus assume that they are members of a Mariachi band? I guess so, because it also does not say that they are not wearing giant sombero hats with fringe-balls hanging off the edges!

See where your "logical" silliness takes us? It takes us nowhere!.

I'll see your "GEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!!!" and raise you one "You poor little child."

Please try to be a little less eager to shove your weight around, and perhaps you might actually contribute something of value to a discussion.

And not to digress, but here are some references for you to think about. (Please note that I said "think" about, not "argue" about!)

http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/fromto.html

Thousands of Hispanics -- estimates range from 50,000 to 75,000 -- now attend mosques all over the United States, according to the American Muslim Council, an Islamic advocacy group.

I wonder how many of those 50,000 to 75,000 "Hispanics [in] the United States" are Mexican Hispanics? Hmm...

http://www.mexicoislam.org/activities.php

We have distributed 10’s of thousands of books that present Islam to Mexican interested in Islam over the past years.

And...

http://www.racematters.org/islamtakesrootinmexico.htm

Followers of Islam probably number in the low thousands in Mexico

And...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37133

At this stage, G2 Bulletin sources say, the growing danger is that of militant Islam penetrating Mexico, a country with an increasing Muslim community, including Muslim converts. Some of them have ties to the Mexican community and to illegal immigrants' smugglers operating in American states bordering Mexico, especially those with connections in the greater Los Angeles area and other major cities.

Golly. Ties to the Mexican community, illegal smugglers, and California connections... mere coincidence, I'm certain, right? :)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37981

A Mexico cover-up of U.S. terror threats?

President Fox's administration, sources say, is suppressing information that might reveal the actual size of anti-U.S. terror cells in the capital, Mexico City, and their connection to militant Muslim groups around Mexico and in many Latin American hotspots.
...
Meanwhile, there are growing concerns about growing terrorist operations throughout Latin America. With Islamic "charities" under increasing international pressure and scrutiny to cut ties with terrorists, al-Qaida and other allied organizations are expanding operations in Latin America, establishing both legitimate and criminal enterprises to fund future operations.

Counterterror experts monitoring the Central American scene are concerned with news that so-called youth gangs active in Central America are now moving north into Mexico. The youth gangs, known to be among the most ruthless street criminals in that part of the world, prey on prospective illegal immigrants. Some indications from Honduras and Guatemala suggest that gangs known as Mara-18 and Salvatrucha are already active in the Mexican state of Chiapas, stretching their activity to Tijuana close to the U.S. border.

A number of Mara-18 members are known to have ties with drug dealers, including those identified with some of the most radical Islamic jihadists.

Golly!

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,358223,00.html

PRAYING TO ALLAH IN MEXICO

Islam Is Gaining a Foothold in Chiapas

Long a bastion of Catholicism, southern Mexico is quickly turning into a battleground for soul-savers. Islam, too, is gaining a foothold and the indigenous Mayans are converting by the hundreds. The Mexican government is worried about a culture clash in their own backyard.

http://www.muhajabah.com/latinos.htm

Links for Latino Muslims

LOTS of stuff there. And even more links by typing "mexican muslims" into google. How much more? Oh, "about 893,000 English pages for mexican muslims" -- that's how much more. (So now you know why I'm going to stop quoting them here, and let you peruse the source at your lesure! :)

Logic dictates that it is extremely unlikely that any single source will have a definitive count of the actual number of Muslims in Mexico.

You have yourself a fine weekend, and if you'll be so patient as to endure one more bit of advice from an old bastard who's been 'round the block a few times, try to be a tad less confrontational in your approach. Going through life -- or even "life" (the "e-version") with a chip on your shoulder, itching for a game of "Gotcha!" -- well, frankly, it sucks. It sucks for you, and it sucks for those you confront.

Think it over, but please, don't "get back with me about it", thanks in advance. My plate is plenty full enough already without going round the mullberry bush with anyone on what amounts to a "self-help" topic. I'm not a therapist, and I'm not even inclined to play one on the Internet.

122 posted on 01/28/2006 11:48:09 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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