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To: ModelBreaker
Hydrogen isn't just laying around to burn. You can't run over to the hydrogen lake and scoop some up. It has to be made. Making it takes a LOT of energy. That energy will come from Nuclear or fossil fuels.

Yep. It takes more energy to split water than is released from the comustion of hydrogen. It is like taking electricity to MAKE electricity. It just does not work.

90 posted on 01/27/2006 6:26:33 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: Paul_Denton
Hydrogen isn't just laying around to burn. You can't run over to the hydrogen lake and scoop some up. It has to be made. Making it takes a LOT of energy. That energy will come from Nuclear or fossil fuels.

Yep. It takes more energy to split water than is released from the comustion of hydrogen. It is like taking electricity to MAKE electricity. It just does not work.

Its best to think of hydrogen as a battery

169 posted on 01/27/2006 8:11:00 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Paul_Denton

it CAN be done. not on a scale large enough at this time, but efficiency is increasing. Its a simple law.. you can never generate more energy that you input. But, if the source is free or dirt cheap (fission heat, wind power, solar, etc), it is extremely viable conversion.


237 posted on 01/27/2006 9:42:44 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: Paul_Denton
Yep. It takes more energy to split water than is released from the comustion of hydrogen. It is like taking electricity to MAKE electricity. It just does not work.

Just a quibble. Hydrogen works as a battery. It stores electrical energy in a chemical form for later use. And that's OK and may have real economic potential. For example, today, there is no way to use the output of nuclear power plants to power cars. So if we would build nukes and use the electricity to split water into Hydrogen, that could be a real alternative to imported oil--albeit, probably more expensive than imported oil.

What frosts me is the green campaign on hydrogen is that they try to pawn it off as an energy source. (A lot of gullible conservatives have been taken in by the campaign.)

A conversion to a 'hydrogen economy' without also developing alternative energy sources (like nukes or coal) would leave us in the worst possible energy world. We would have to produce our hydrogen for our cars with imported oil and it would be a lot less efficient than using the oil directly. So we would end up even more dependent on imported oil than we are now. All in the name of being more green.

276 posted on 01/28/2006 10:52:56 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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