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Haleigh Moved to Rehab Facility (Haleigh Poutre, ruled "vegetative" responding to stimuli)
WPRI 12 ^ | 1-26-06 | AP

Posted on 01/26/2006 3:29:36 PM PST by cgk

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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...
See post 28 for an address to send cards to Haleigh.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

41 posted on 01/27/2006 9:44:32 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: luvbach1

"Couldn't administering life-saving antibiotics, when medics see fit, be also considered a thwarting of God's will? And isn't that close to what Christian Scientists believe?"

Well, yes, I suppose it could. It's obviously all a matter of perspective, which was kind of my point. I believe you are correct, Christian Scientists don't believe in many of the approaches modern medicine takes to keeping people alive, I believe they're even against giving or receiving blood (I recall a case a while back where a court order had to be obtained because parent's were refusing to get a blood transfusion necessary for their daughter's survival). However, I tend to consider Christian Science more of a cult, than a traditional form of Christianity. So I'm still curious if there are any mainstream Protestants, or Catholics here who are of the opinion that modern medicine can go to far in the pursuit of keeping the human body alive?


42 posted on 01/27/2006 11:00:10 AM PST by TheStraightDope
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To: nmh
You're one of the good guys.

Thank you, as are YOU! It's so nice to hear that... I surely try.

43 posted on 01/27/2006 11:58:38 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
I don't mean to butcher Shakespeare, but this reminds me of one of his sayings (from Hamlet), "One may smile, and smile, and be a villain."

I think you did just right by the Bard! :)

44 posted on 01/27/2006 11:59:19 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

What a sweet precious little girl. May the Lord help her recover and find a family who will care for her.


45 posted on 01/27/2006 12:08:01 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("The Less You Have...The More They'll Take"- bf)
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To: prion
I rather think she'd prefer to live than be avenged.

No reason both can't happen. She could survive, then her worm of a stepfather could be sentenced to a LONG stay in prison for what he did to her. Sounds like justice to me!

46 posted on 01/27/2006 12:11:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: cgk

"Was God's will thwarted when the ventilator was removed and she didn't die on her own?"

I don't know, I would never claim to know such a thing in such a specific instance.

"...many of us agree with the founder's Statement who wrote we are "Pro-God and Pro-Life" as 2 of the first on a list of many identifiers."

Yes, I'm aware of this, hence my question as to whether there were any Christians who believed that we go too far; if anybody thought maybe we sometimes interfere with the natural course of things out of human pride. I was under the impression however, that the term "Pro-Life" is typically a reference to being opposed to abortion. If one were to truly be Pro-Life in the sense you seem to be implying, that of never killing a human (if one were to construe the discontinuation of life support to be a form of killing, which of course as I have mentioned seems to come down to a matter of belief) then of necessity, one would have to be opposed to wars, the death penalty etc... Or do you mean you're Pro-Life if the individual is under the age of 17?

"Many of us pray for this girl's life."

Moreover, shouldn't we pray for improvement and recovery as well?

"If it is God's will that she dies, who would argue, so long as it is God's will and not the state's determination."

But you said yourself she was removed from a ventilator and started breathing on her own... if it is not a surety that someone will die when a ventilator is removed, it is not a "determination" that the individual SHOULD die but rather that their life, if it is to continue, should be left up to nature/God/whatever. How does one determine if one is in line with God's will, or if one struggles against it?

"She is 11, a child, and deserves protecting."

I do not disagree. In the beginning, I was merely indulging in some philosophical speculation and posing an ontological question. I realize now that such an action must have been out of place.

"Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?" --God, Job 38:4-6,17







47 posted on 01/27/2006 12:14:12 PM PST by TheStraightDope
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To: All; cyn

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1216890.ece

Child's life comes to an end
Little Kristina Hjartåker, who was buried for 40 minutes in a landslide outside Bergen last autumn, has died after doctors reportedly ended her treatment over the weekend.


48 posted on 02/07/2006 6:11:28 AM PST by XavierXray (Don't mind the dyslexia)
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To: XavierXray; 8mmMauser; Ohioan from Florida

I am so sorry to read of this latest news of little Kristina.

Original posted information: Norway: Father drops court appeal over his little girl's fate -- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565203/posts -- update post 11.


49 posted on 02/07/2006 8:00:09 AM PST by cyn
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Thanks for the ping. God help us!

May God bless Kristina and her family. What a sad time for them.


50 posted on 02/07/2006 8:26:56 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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