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Prepare yourself for the unthinkable: war against Iran may be a necessity
TimesOnline (UK) ^ | 1/27/2006 | Gerard Baker

Posted on 01/26/2006 2:38:37 PM PST by Dark Skies

THE UNIMAGINABLE but ultimately inescapable truth is that we are going to have to get ready for war with Iran. Being of a free-speaking, free-thinking disposition, we generally find in the West that hand-wringing, finger-pointing and second-guessing come more easily to us than cold, strategic thinking. Confronted with nightmarish perils we instinctively choose to seize the opportunity to blame each other, cursing our domestic opponents for the situation they’ve put us in.

The rapidly intensifying crisis with regard to Iran exemplifies the phenomenon. On the right, it is said that the decision to let the Europeans play nuclear footsie with the mullahs in Iran for more than two years was a terrible blunder. Pacifist evasion is what the world has come to expect from continental Europe, but the decision by Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, to become an enabler to their procrastinations was of a different order of strategic error. An emboldened Tehran seized the chance to play them all along while advancing its ambitions in great leaps.

On the left the hands are being wrung over Iraq. It is argued that the decision to invade the wrong country has made our situation intolerably worse. Iran was always the bigger threat. While we were chasing phantom nuclear weapons in Mesopotamia, next door Iran was busy building real ones. Now we are enfeebled, militarily and politically, our diplomatic tools blunted beyond repair by the errors in Iraq.

I tend to side more with the former crowd (though let it not be said that the latter do not have a point) but it is important for all of us to understand that this debate is now for the birds. All that matters now is what we do.

The unavoidable reality is that we now need urgently to steel ourselves to the ugly probability that diplomacy will not now suffice: one or way or another, unconscionable acts of war may now be unavoidable.

Those who say war is unthinkable are right. Military strikes, even limited, targeted and accurate ones, will have devastating consequences for the region and for the world. They will, quite probably entrench and harden the Iranian regime. Even the young, hopeful democrats who despise their theocratic rulers and crave the freedoms of the West will pause at the sight of their country burnt and humiliated by the infidels.

A war, even a limited one, will almost certainly raise oil prices to recession-inducing levels, as Iran cuts itself off from global markets. The loss of Iranian supply and the already stretched nature of production in the Arab world and elsewhere means prices of $150 per barrel are easily imaginable. Military strikes will foster more violence in the Middle East, strengthen the insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan, fuel anti-Western sentiment among Muslims everywhere and encourage more terrorism against us at home.

All true. All fearfully powerful arguments against the use of the military option. But multiplied together, squared, and then cubed, the weight of these arguments does not come close to matching the case for us to stop, by whatever means may be necessary, Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

If Iran gets safely and unmolested to nuclear status, it will be a threshold moment in the history of the world, up there with the Bolshevik Revolution and the coming of Hitler. What the country itself may do with those weapons, given its pledges, its recent history and its strategic objectives with regard to the US, Israel and their allies, is well known. We can reasonably assume that the refusal of the current Iranian leadership to accept the Holocaust as historical fact is simply a recognition of their own plans to redefine the notion as soon as they get a chance (“Now this is what we call a holocaust”). But this threat is only, incredibly, a relatively small part of the problem.

If Iran goes nuclear, it will demonstrate conclusively that even the world’s greatest superpower, unrivalled militarily, under a leadership of proven willingness to take bold military steps, could not stop a country as destabilising as Iran from achieving its nuclear ambitions.

No country in a region that is so riven by religious and ethnic hatreds will feel safe from the new regional superpower. No country in the region will be confident that the US and its allies will be able or willing to protect them from a nuclear strike by Iran. Nor will any regional power fear that the US and its allies will act to prevent them from emulating Iran. Say hello to a nuclear Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.

Iran, of course, secure now behind its nuclear wall, will surely step up its campaign of terror around the world. It will become even more of a magnet and haven for terrorists. The terror training grounds of Afghanistan were always vulnerable if the West had the resolve. Protected by a nuclear-missile-owning state, Iranian camps will become impregnable.

And the kind of society we live in and cherish in the West, a long way from Tehran or Damascus, will change beyond recognition. We balk now at intrusive government measures to tap our phones or stop us saying incendiary things in mosques. Imagine how much more our freedoms will be curtailed if our governments fear we are just one telephone call or e-mail, one plane journey or truckload away from another Hiroshima.

Something short of military action may yet prevail on Iran. Perhaps sanctions will turn their leadership from its doomsday ambitions. Perhaps Russia can somehow be persuaded to give them an incentive to think again. But we can’t count on this optimistic scenario now. And so we must ready ourselves for what may be the unthinkable necessity.

Because in the end, preparation for war, by which I mean not military feasibility planning, or political and diplomatic manoeuvres but a psychological readiness, a personal willingness on all our parts to bear the terrible burdens that it will surely impose, may be our last real chance to ensure that we can avoid one.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; euroweenies; iran; irannukes; iranwar; islam; israel; mahdi; next; nuclear; terror; wot
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To: Brilliant
And Iran has 5 times the population of Iraq, not to mention a much more powerful army and industrial base

Damn right! - They rolled right over the Iraqis in the Iran/Iraq war.

Oh, wait...

161 posted on 01/26/2006 5:12:35 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Philistone

Good point. I hadn't thought of that.


162 posted on 01/26/2006 5:14:08 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Brilliant

Some numbers taken from the CIA World Factbook:

Population: Iran = 68,017,860; Iraq = 26,074,906

Military Expenditures: Iran = $4.3 billion (2003 est.)

Iraq = $1.3 billion (FY00)


163 posted on 01/26/2006 5:20:35 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: bill1952

The Iranians won the war. Saddam invaded Iran, and they beat him back. Each side lost between 500,000 and a million lives. And that was before Iran had a well organized army, and before we destroyed Saddam's army, which was at that time regarded as the number 3 most powerful army in the world. Saddam attacked them at their weakest moment, right after the mullahs took over the government and executed the Shah's generals. And Saddam had support from the US. Yet, Iran still won.

There is no question that invading Iran would make Iraq look like a cake walk. It would probably even make Vietnam look easy.


164 posted on 01/26/2006 5:22:56 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Iraq is a base from which operations can be launched against Iran and Syria.

I've considered that possiblity myself.

Iraq >*Iran*< Afghanistan

165 posted on 01/26/2006 5:23:45 PM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: Dark Skies
"""A war, even a limited one, will almost certainly raise oil prices to recession-inducing levels, as Iran cuts itself off from global markets. The loss of Iranian supply and the already stretched nature of production in the Arab world and elsewhere means prices of $150 per barrel are easily imaginable."""

This, I'm convinced, is why Hillary is goading Bush to take military action against Iran. She wants a recession, so Democrats can sweep the 2006 elections. Then there will be the impeachment hearings that Dems having been lusting for. So many freepers want a war on Iran - not considering that they might lose their jobs, that their home values could plummet and their retirement accounts tank, if a big recession is the result. But Hillary will be happy!

166 posted on 01/26/2006 5:28:41 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Dark Skies
I imagine we are going to be soon put on a real war footing. All this frivilous crap will fall away."""

Fasten your seat belts: Ahead are sky-high gas prices, a recession, and Democratic control of Congress. All in service of the neocon goal of perpetual middle east conflict. I'm buying gold.

167 posted on 01/26/2006 5:30:50 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
I hear you (I think), but the President needs to make his case carefully. War time is not a time to consider recession or shortage or inconvenience...it is a time to consider that, if we don't win, we will really be in a different world. In this case, we will be in a world that is increasingly subjected to the islamic nuclear sword.

Convert or die.

I for one would rather die. Or die trying at least.

168 posted on 01/26/2006 5:46:05 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

Well, we are in the neighbornood. Kind of a shame to let all that good ammo go to waste.


169 posted on 01/26/2006 5:48:05 PM PST by LS
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To: P.O.E.

I think the idea was that enough countries were still PO'ed at Iraq to make that war easier---Kuwait let us stage, the Saudis quietly looked the other way, Jordan and Egypt didn't interfere; the eastern Euros, Sp., Italians, Brits, all helped. If we had done Iran first, we may have been doing it 100% alone, and when you are talking staging and logistics, that ain't pretty.


170 posted on 01/26/2006 5:49:59 PM PST by LS
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To: Dark Skies

Never trust a communist. Putin is one. And don't trust their Chinese friends either.


171 posted on 01/26/2006 5:59:22 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: brazzaville

Ronald Reagan prevented Red Dawn.


172 posted on 01/26/2006 6:00:51 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Brilliant

And then what do we do if North Korea decides to attack South Korea at this time?


173 posted on 01/26/2006 6:02:42 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Dark Skies

I agree. Horrible, but if we don't do something and soon, the US will be target number two, three seconds after Israel disappears in a mushroom cloud.


174 posted on 01/26/2006 6:03:34 PM PST by hershey
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To: Brilliant
The Iranians got their ass kicked, big time, and it set them back decades.
Until about right now, I might add.

The only thing that prevented that war from continuing even today was the US pulling put support from under Saddam.

Iraq never could keep the territory that they wanted, but wants mean little without the support of the US, and that is my point.

Iran would be toast were Iraq, or even Lichtenstien, to have our total support.

The Nam was easy.
It was the liberal trash and its 5th column, the Socialist MSM that was too difficult for us to overcome, along with the stupidity of a drafted army.

Let go your remaining drunk from the NYT that the American armed forces are not equal to any ME challange.

175 posted on 01/26/2006 6:05:43 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Philistone

Precisely. Oil, which Iran is trying to leverage in exchange for nukes, is what will keep it from going nuke.

It's another poker game that Dubya's got going here. In Iraq, he played the cards so that war was inevitible. With Iran, he is playing the cards to avoid war. All it takes is this: "call."

Iran cannot afford this war. No matter how crazy the mullahs, if Iran chooses war -- and it will be Iran that makes that decision, and not anyone else -- Iran dies. The only nation in this entire game that can afford a Persian war is the U.S. China can't afford it. ($150+ oil hurts China far more than anyone else.) Europe can't afford it. The entire Gulf region can't afford it, as you have described. (Russia is the wildcard here.)

Ahmadinejad thinks he can force the world to accept a nuclear Iran for fear of an oil embargo. The opposite is the case: for fear of an oil embargo, the world cannot afford to let Iran go nuke. This will become evident soon enough.


176 posted on 01/26/2006 6:08:11 PM PST by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: Dallas59
Not all of Iraq is uncivilized. We need a base of operations. Iraq is perfect. The majority Iraqis hold no love for Iran. This may have been Bushes plan all along. Maybe.

If you believe there is a need to deal with Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and Iran, then the logical order to deal with them is:

1. Afghanistan first, the most remote, but also the base for al-Qaeda and the one requiring the least preparation and resources.

2. Iraq, the next most vulnerable target -- which also allows you to a.) directly threaten (and neutralize) Syria and b.) flank Iran from both sides.

3. And, finally, Iran -- now surrounded on three sides. A consideration not only tactically, but from the standpoint of subversion opportunities.

Myself, I believe that's been the plan all along -- but Iraq has taken a little longer than had been allotted.

In the meantime, the other member of the Axis of Evil -- North Korea -- has been effectively isolated diplomatically.

Strategically, I believe Bush/Cheney have been way ahead of the curve...

177 posted on 01/26/2006 6:15:25 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: rfreedom4u

Yeah airpower would be huge. Course those SAM's Ivan just sold Tehran might complicate things a little. A more difficult scenario might be Iran infiltrating lots of terrorists and suicide bombers across the border and arming/encouraging Muqtoady al Sadr.


178 posted on 01/26/2006 6:18:02 PM PST by happyathome
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To: churchillbuff
So many freepers want a war on Iran - not considering that they might lose their jobs, that their home values could plummet and their retirement accounts tank, if a big recession is the result

Hmnn.

Which is much less favorable to our party...

But, of course, with a nuclear armed and powerful Iran, there would be no jobs, no Iranian oil on the world stage, (Iran demands a global economic Jihad on the US) no homes at all after Iran destroys them, and no need for retirement at all for all of the dead.

Who else but us can prevent this?

179 posted on 01/26/2006 6:21:00 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Brilliant

However, upon reflection, if Iran's only goal was to prevent being exterminated by Iraq, then it could be said that they indeed did win that war.


180 posted on 01/26/2006 6:26:43 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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