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What's Left of UNIX ? (Because of LINUX, UNIX faces prospect of a long, slow decline)
Information Week ^ | January 2006 | Charles Babock

Posted on 01/26/2006 9:06:27 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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To: SirLinksalot
Note that HP owns VMS *AND* HP-UX. If they are diverting key resources away from VMS and their own version of UNIX, that tells us a lot where they believe the future is. Same is true of IBM and AIX.

I vaguely remember something called OS-2 and Microchannel Architecture?.......

21 posted on 01/26/2006 9:24:25 AM PST by Red Badger (LUKE 22:36 JESUS: "........and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."........)
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To: SirLinksalot

"Everyone knows the future, no one remembers the past."


22 posted on 01/26/2006 9:25:55 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Pessimist

Wanna buy and old Eagle?.........(obscure CP/M machine).......


23 posted on 01/26/2006 9:26:01 AM PST by Red Badger (LUKE 22:36 JESUS: "........and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."........)
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To: SirLinksalot
Linux is open source, but open source is not Linux. Linux is just the kernel. The Solaris kernel will soon be available with the full debian stack, it's called nexenta.
24 posted on 01/26/2006 9:26:07 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: Pessimist

"At least I'm consistent! :)"

Don't ever give me stock advice! :P


25 posted on 01/26/2006 9:26:42 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I learned to program on a VAX 11-785 cluster running Berkeley Unix. Ahh the good ole days of monochrome screens and dot matrix.

Right after my punch card days gladly only two semesterson cards on an IBM 370. I hated JCL and Assembly Language.


26 posted on 01/26/2006 9:28:11 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: SirLinksalot

I work for the Air Force and we still use UNIX extensively.

Although we are starting to integrate some Linux based systems into what we do, but they aren't "production" yet.

Of course we have our Winblows machines as well.


27 posted on 01/26/2006 9:28:26 AM PST by MikefromOhio (The Pot is complaining about the Kettle's complexion....)
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To: Pessimist

Little Endian rules. Big Endian Drools.

I have actually always preferred little...from an embedded perspective it makes more sense.


28 posted on 01/26/2006 9:32:06 AM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I agree, I still use it all the time.

What I never liked about UNIX is the obfuscation of the various shell commands. If there was an easy, intuitive way to implement a command, the UNIX developer would look at it, and then go 180 degrees away from it.
29 posted on 01/26/2006 9:35:10 AM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: krb

"Big Endian Drools. "

Big Endian is just backwards.
First time I ran into little endian vs. big endian I thought it was a joke. Well it is, but not an intentional joke.


30 posted on 01/26/2006 9:37:24 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Dont know how much I agree with this author:

In the '90s, Unix was set to become the dominant operating system for heavy-duty computing, with Windows the only threat. But the rise of Linux and steady maturation of Win-

Firstly UNIX is lucky to have survived its own fragmentation in the 80's and early 90's a fact the author later referred to "Ten years ago, the computer industry attempted to unite Unix by agreeing to a set of common APIs that made it possible to develop a business application once and run it across any Unix brand.".

UNIX survived because there was little middleware competition. NT3.1 and 4 were not ready for huge middleware applications, and Mainframes were too expensive to justify for middleware. This is where SUN got going as a *HARDWARE* company. Sun basically made great hardware that the loaded BSD onto, that is until they decided to become a software company as well..

Is Linux taking share from UNIX? there is little doubt but its not because its 'free' is because it cant split the same way that UNIX did...

31 posted on 01/26/2006 9:38:48 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Pessimist

"Someone here can correct me, but wasn't all the old Unix stuff mainly run on motorola processors, and more recently PowerPc's? "

The type of cpu depended on the Unix vendor. Sun/Solaris on Sparc, IBM/AIX on Power, Digital/Ultrix on Alpha, HP/HP-UX on PA-RISC.....basically, the vendors made Unix versions to run on their own hardware and no one elses. Only SCO was made to run on low end Intel stuff. Everyone else had been RISC and 64 bit since the early 90s. PPC was almost totally dominated by Mac OS Classic, in no way a Unix at all, in fact, kind of an anti-Unix. Only when Apple went to OS X did PPC have a significant Unix presence, and now that Mr. Realiy Distortion Field has gone to Intel, they've lost that too.


32 posted on 01/26/2006 9:38:59 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: MarkeyD

"If there was an easy, intuitive way to implement a command, the UNIX developer would look at it, and then go 180 degrees away from it."

It's function over form. Unix commands are notoriously cryptic and also famously powerful. The good news for casual users of the command line is that aliases and scripts can take care of a lot of that.
It's diffcult to write a function that's powerful, flexible and concise. Pick two, can't have all three.


33 posted on 01/26/2006 9:40:59 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Pessimist

Well to be fair the problem with SUNS, IBM's, Apple's and HP's is that you get locked into hardware. FreeBSD/NetBSD has not such problem..


34 posted on 01/26/2006 9:42:23 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: brownsfan
It's difficult to write a function that's powerful, flexible and concise. Pick two, can't have all three.

I disagree. The other issue is that UNIX developers revel in the abstruse.
35 posted on 01/26/2006 9:46:44 AM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: One Proud Dad

I loved assembly. Never understood JCL. Interestingly, after some years on Solaris and AIX, I'm back on the mainframe again this time running a dozen suse sles8 instances as z/vm guests on the ifl of a z/890. No more boxes.


36 posted on 01/26/2006 9:51:54 AM PST by Jason_b
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To: SirLinksalot

Screw it. I'm getting my Commodore 64 out from the back of the closet. I never did finish Zork or Wishbringer or Hitchhiker's Guide, anyway.


37 posted on 01/26/2006 9:53:02 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: brownsfan
Indeed. When I worked with Unix, although I did get used to the commands, it was nice that I could use a lot of the MS-DOS commands instead (e.g., "md" iso "mkdir").

TS
(giving a cryptic example that a Unix user could enjoy)

38 posted on 01/26/2006 9:55:33 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Jason_b

I can remember standing there in our A/C controlled room with the VAX looking across the lab at the "goobers" playing on the IBM PC's and their 5 1/4 inch floppies and laughing while saying those will never take off, mainframes rule.

Boy, thinking back now about my choice of first wife and my picking the Vikings to win a Superbowl I was not in tune with my kharma or something and could not predict sh_t.


39 posted on 01/26/2006 9:56:40 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Tanniker Smith
I never did finish Zork or Wishbringer or Hitchhiker's Guide, anyway.

I have the entire Infocom library on my linux laptop.

40 posted on 01/26/2006 9:57:46 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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