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To: Luis Gonzalez
Nothing unusual about a group of individuals organizing efforts to promote their views. It's no like they are doing it in secret. Just look at the following:

Phase I is the essential component of everything that comes afterward. Without solid scholarship, research and argument, the project would be just another attempt to indoctrinate instead of persuade. A lesson we have learned from the history of science is that it is unnecessary to outnumber the opposing establishment. Scientific revolutions are usually staged by an initially small and relatively young group of scientists who are not blinded by the prevailing prejudices and who are able to do creative work at the pressure points, that is, on those critical issues upon which whole systems of thought hinge. So, in Phase I we are supporting vital witting and research at the sites most likely to crack the materialist edifice.

They obviously recognize the need for solid science, unlike evolutionists.

6 posted on 01/25/2006 9:45:35 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots

The problem is that ID'ers refuse to admit the fact that ID IS religion.

Promote your views, but do so without lying about it.

ID, according to the father of the movement, is religion attempting to control science.


10 posted on 01/25/2006 9:48:03 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: connectthedots
"just another attempt to indoctrinate instead of persuade"

"Solid science" does not contain ANY need to "persuade". Science is "prove" or "not prove".

The need to "persuade" is clearly the realm of philosophy or religion - NOT science.

One of the first paragraphs of their own document tells you, up front, that this is not science. That is the one fact ID'ers produce that is believable.

48 posted on 01/26/2006 3:18:00 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: connectthedots
They obviously recognize the need for solid science

Except the bit where they decide on the conclusion before planning and doing the science

"Sentence first--verdict afterwards"

54 posted on 01/26/2006 4:56:04 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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