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Thinking the Unthinkable About Iran (Excellent Summation)
The American Thinker ^ | 1/25/2006 | J.R. Dunn

Posted on 01/25/2006 6:56:43 AM PST by Dark Skies

Before the founding of the modern State of Israel, the anti-Semitic view of the historical role of the Jew was that of half-willing victim. Jews were supposed to wait patiently while the Poles, Tartars, and Cossacks threw the bones to see who got to burn down the village this time. Many of us thought this subjection ended in 1948 and would never again disgrace humanity.

Discussions surrounding the Iranian nuclear threat suggest this judgment may have been premature. Talks concerning Iranian nuclear programs between Iran on one hand and Britain, France, and Germany on the other exhibit the nature of a ritual shadow play, one that consistently overlooks what should be the most salient fact: that Israel itself possesses nuclear weapons.

You’d think this would lend some sense of urgency to efforts to defuse the crisis, but you’d be wrong. The Jews are once again expected to wait while the dice are being tossed, this time until Tel Aviv and Haifa vanish in blinding flashes of fire. Israel has a nuclear arsenal estimated at two hundred bombs. These have never been tested, but with the state of nuclear technology, that’s not a necessity. As Ted Taylor, the late senior U.S. bomb designer, once put it,

“No nuclear weapon ever designed has failed to go off.”

These bombs are evidently compact enough to be deployed on any of the fighter-bombers that comprise Israel’s Air Defense Force. A possibility also exists that Israel possesses long-range cruise missiles – the Israelis were pioneers in the field of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV’s). No nation has been more discreet in its possession of nuclear weapons than Israel, which has never acknowledged having any such weapons at all. Nor has it ever explicitly threatened any of its neighbors with the nuclear stick. Iran, on the other hand, has done little else in recent months. The behavior of the country’s rulers, both political and religious, has been such that it would cause alarm even without the nuclear capability. By now Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s new president, has become a nearly iconic figure. Each succeeding item that comes to our attention about this man makes it difficult to believe there can be anything worse to come. But there always is. Consider his membership in Pasdoran, Iran’s version of Hitler Youth, whose uniform he still occasionally wears. Consider his commitment to Mahdaviat, which Daniel Pipes translates as,

“belief in and efforts to prepare for the Mahdi.”

The Mahdi is the Twelfth Imam, supposed to return at the End of Days in the Shi’ite version of Revelations. The more fanatical “Twelvers” believe that they have a duty to create worldwide chaos to hasten the day of return.

Back in the mid-80s, it was common to come across distraught American Leftists convinced that Ronald Reagan had placed fundamentalist Christians in the Defense Department for the purpose of bringing about the Rapture. It would be nice to see something matching that level of concern today. Ahmadinejad’s commitment to Mahdaviat is easily gauged. While mayor of Tehran, he had a broad avenue built to welcome the Mahdi. As president, he began a railroad to the town of Jamarkan, where the Mahdi is alleged to be biding his time in a well awaiting the great day. He spent seventeen million for an elegant mosque in the same area. Pipes tells us Ahmadinejad also had his list of proposed cabinet members dropped into the well for the Mahdi’s approval. The story of Allah’s intervention at the UN is worth contemplating. According to Ahmadinejad,

“...I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink…. And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic.”

This is the man who repeatedly denied that the Holocaust ever occurred. Who has refused to curtail developments that can only be utilized to obtain nuclear weapons. Who has stated that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” (And not only Ahmadinejad – ex-president Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, a supposed “moderate,” used exactly the same words a few months previously.) The criteria for a preventive nuclear war have never been codified, simply because such an alternative is too ghastly to contemplate. But the possible need for such an action is in little doubt. Few would argue against the necessity of a preventive strike against a nuclear-armed Hitler. In 1948, Bertrand Russell, godfather of the peaceniks, publicly suggested such a strike against Stalin’s USSR (he went to great pains in later years to deny ever saying any such thing, but the printed record doesn’t lie). For that reason, it’s difficult to say what factors are required to justify such an action. But the case of Iran – a demonstrable record of bloodthirstiness and callousness, an expansionist messianic ideology, a foreign policy based in large part on anti-Semitism, rule by a hallucinatory fanatic, explicit threats of a nuclear first strike – pushes any conceivable envelope. Taken alone, each of these factors would be a matter of concern. Together, they make it extremely difficult to deny that Israel is being forced up against the wall. The Europeans appear proud of the fact that they’ve muddled along for two years, as if diplomacy was simply a matter of delaying the inevitable. Now, with a nearly audible sigh of relief, they have handed the matter over to the UN. The UN of the “Zionism is racism” decree. The UN that welcomed an armed Yasser Arafat. The UN that abandoned its peacekeeping posts in the Sinai in 1967 at Egyptian demand – without notifying Israel. The UN whose head a few weeks ago sat beneath a huge wall map featuring a boldly labeled ‘Palestine’ without any sign of discomfort. These are not actions designed to defuse a crisis.

An acute observer might well think that everyone involved was trying to ease the way for a strike to be carried out – by the U.S. or Israel or both. It really wouldn’t matter so long as the EU and the UN were not involved. (The French nuclear threat only highlights this point – it’s best read as a statement intended to direct Iranian intentions elsewhere.) Israel, after all, does have a history of the coup de main, the all-or-nothing strike such as occurred in 1956, 1967, and 1981. Look at the situation from Israel’s point of view to grasp how far it may be forced to go. This is the state founded in the shadow of the Holocaust, as a lifeboat for oldest surviving nation on Earth. The only people the world ever consciously tried to destroy.

To the Israelis, a hostile Middle Eastern state gaining nuclear weapons renders the level of risk effectively infinite. They will be facing not defeat, not humiliation, but effective annihilation. Under these circumstances, any level of response is justified. In the past week, two prominent Israelis, Benjamin Netanyahu and chief of staff Lieutenant General Dan Halutz, have both publicly stated that “the threat to Israel is existential.” On January 21st Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz went even further: the Iranian people face “havoc and destruction” if their government fails to stand down. They should be taken as meaning what they say.

Those words may be the only warning anyone ever gets. There was a point during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973 when it appeared that the Egyptians had broken though Israeli lines in the Sinai at the same time the Syrians were about to drive across the Golan. Although never verified, it’s been reported on some authority that Moshe Dayan placed the Israeli nuclear strike force on full alert, the planes at the ends of the runways with their engines hot, their weapons armed, ready to head for their targets.

The “go” phrase was, “The Temple has fallen for the third time.” It didn’t happen then. And I think it can taken as a given that the Temple will not fall this time either. Apart from that, everything else is up in the air. Except for the jets – and they’re always ready to go. Among many other things, J.R. Dunn was the editor of the International Military Encyclopedia for twelve years.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; axisofevil; iran; islam; israel; nuclear; wot
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To: Dark Skies

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Plus the Israeli jets would require tanker support. Where would the large, lumbering tanker be orbiting (over Jordan, over Iraq, over Iran, over the Persian Gulf)?


21 posted on 01/25/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: Dark Skies

bump


22 posted on 01/25/2006 8:21:48 AM PST by lesser_satan
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To: blue-duncan; Buggman

Masada practice.


23 posted on 01/25/2006 8:22:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: carrier-aviator

Now there you go being logical.


24 posted on 01/25/2006 8:24:05 AM PST by MajorityOfOne
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To: Dark Skies
"...the anti-Semitic view of the historical role of the Jew was that of half-willing victim."

Those who mindlessly follow Democrat politicians and the Leftist agenda seem to be doing their best to perpetuate this "view".

25 posted on 01/25/2006 8:39:19 AM PST by Savage Beast (Women are like wine. You get what you pay for. Mine's the best. It's expensive. It's worth it.)
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To: nmh
“No nuclear weapon ever designed has failed to go off.”

I don't think that's true. I believe there were some tests that "fizzled" in Nevada back in the '50's. Failed to destroy even the tower.

26 posted on 01/25/2006 8:42:09 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: bayouranger
To the Israelis, a hostile Middle Eastern state gaining nuclear weapons renders the level of risk effectively infinite. They will be facing not defeat, not humiliation, but effective annihilation. Under these circumstances, any level of response is justified.

Worth repeating ping!

27 posted on 01/25/2006 8:43:29 AM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President!)
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To: Dark Skies
I hear the morons in the MSM briefing their sheeple... “Well... it looks like Iran will get nukes... and there's nothing we can do about it(usually... a shrugg of the shoulders follows).”

If the west does nothing, Israel will strike as best they can. Odds are... it won't 'finish the matter' and Iran will rabidly attack any target within range... our troops in Iraq come to mind.

We are living very quickly now...

28 posted on 01/25/2006 8:57:39 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: johnny7
We are living very quickly now...

Yes, very...

29 posted on 01/25/2006 9:08:54 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: carrier-aviator

Getting to Iran would require a flight across Jordan plus across US-controlled Iraq (would the US permit this?), or a long flight across the northern frontier of Saudi Arabia . . .

Not necessarily. Much depends on the status of the 1998 military pact between Israel and Turkey, which, IINM, permits Israel to train Turkish airspace and use bases in Turkey. Turkey shares a border with Iran . . . .


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30 posted on 01/25/2006 9:49:39 AM PST by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: eddiespaghetti

I would be floored if the Turks allowed the transit of Israeli jets. The Turks wouldn't allow the US Army's 4th Infantry Division to cross its turf in spring 2003 for the invasion of Iraq. I can't imagine they'd allow Israeli jets to transit on their way to bombing nuclear facilities in Iran (though I'd be quite pleased if they did).


31 posted on 01/25/2006 10:15:09 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

To answer your post #18. Do you think that President Bush would order American forces to SHOOT DOWN Israeli aircraft en route to Iran? I don't.


32 posted on 01/25/2006 10:23:14 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Dark Skies
If you crack the Israeli code it will probably read like this:

Distance between Tel Aviv, Israel and Tehran, Iran, as the crow flies: 988 miles (1590 km) (858 nautical miles)

Initial heading from Tel Aviv to Tehran: east-northeast (70.4 degrees)

Massada must not fall again. - Tom

33 posted on 01/25/2006 10:24:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

No, I don't think he would. But he'd have some "splainin" to do thereafter. He would have two choices:
(1) Say that our air defense radar in Iraq didn't detect the Israeli jets (bringing cries from the Dems about the billions spent on a military that can't detect univited warplanes over territory we control), or (2) Admit to the vaunted UN, Eurotrash peaceniks, the head-in-the-sand EU, and the Arab street (yes I know Persians are not Arabs) why we turned a blind-eye to the flyover. If he opts for number two, he might as well use US forces to do the bombing.


34 posted on 01/25/2006 10:29:05 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

"would the US permit this?"

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Yep.


35 posted on 01/25/2006 10:35:50 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Enemy #1 = The Leftist holy trinity of multiculturalism, moral equivalence and relativism.)
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To: Baynative

" Cindy Sheehan and the Hollywood peace crowd planning a demonstration/"

If they demonstrate on this, it will be cheerleading. Finally, a check on untrammelled US power and aggression!


36 posted on 01/25/2006 10:39:25 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"We shall see how dedicated to the Masada vow of, "Never again", the Israelis really are."

If they haven't proved it to you by now, they never will.


37 posted on 01/25/2006 10:40:52 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr

Militarily, I have no doubt of their capabilities. However, politically, they leave something to be desired and the final decision to use the nules will be political.


38 posted on 01/25/2006 10:42:33 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: carrier-aviator

"He would have two choices:"

How about admitting the planes were detected and saying we were "taken by surprise" and "not sure what to do"? No one expects us to shoot down Israeli planes on their way to Iran.


39 posted on 01/25/2006 10:43:22 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: xzins

"There was a point during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973 when it appeared that the Egyptians had broken though Israeli lines in the Sinai at the same time the Syrians were about to drive across the Golan. Although never verified, it’s been reported on some authority that Moshe Dayan placed the Israeli nuclear strike force on full alert, the planes at the ends of the runways with their engines hot, their weapons armed, ready to head for their targets."

This partially correlates with the analysis of Walter J. Boyne in the book, The Yom Kippur War, and the Airlift that saved Israel, pub. 2002. As he explains it, though, there was no Egyptian side to the threat, which also correlates with other things I've read. Though the Egyptians broke through very strong in the Sinai, they then halted and dug in.

The Syrians on the other hand, did seem poised to break through with their tanks in the Golan. The generally accepted story is that extremely heroic actions by a small group of Israeli tanks stopped the Syrian advance at a crucial point.

Boyne, however, a retired U. S. Air Force colonel, has carefully analyzed the battle and come up with the conclusion that this storyline is, in fact, impossible. He simply believes the number of Israeli tanks in the area was way too small to stop the strong Syrian advance that was in progress. He has come to the conclusion that the Syrian advance was stopped by an explicit, albeit discrete, threat from the Israeli government to obliterate Damascus with nuclear weapons. All his evidence for this however is indirect, as I have stated above. He simply cannot conceive of any other explanation for what happened.

I can say that the book appears to be well researched, well-written, and intelligently expressed. However, I don't have any other information.


40 posted on 01/25/2006 10:56:12 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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