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To: webstersII
You drew first blood with this insulting and sarcastic reply to me:

Excuse me, but how was it insulting and sarcastic?

Nowhere, and absolutely nowhere did I imply you were of below-average intelligence. Reread post 122--I just simply stated that since such a concept was taught at a very young age, I consider it to be a universally-known concept that shouldn't have to be stated outright on this thread. Therefore IMO, there was no need to post that statement, and I left it out of my original post.

When you replied in post 121 that: "To effectively pull us out of the garbage dump of popular society, nothing short of a miracle--manifested in Constitutional Amendments and a very conservative, strict-constructionist SCOTUS can effectively right these wrongs." it became clear to me that you misread my post. I politely said in Post 122 to reread my post, and that I believe you misunderstood.

If you consider someone telling you that you misread and took something wrongly out of context to be insulting and sarcastic, then I don't know what to say.

Therefore, your accusation of my drawing first blood doesn't hold weight.

So don't get your shorts in a knot when someone responds to you in kind. (BTW, my response was not an ad hominem attack; you might want to check the definition).

No. If you would have simply reread my original posting, you would have found that I've pretty much addressed your concerns. When you subtly implied that I was illiterate, that's where the cut occurred.

(BTW, my response was not an ad hominem attack; you might want to check the definition)

I did, and the basic definition of an ad hominem is where one attacks their opponent as a person as opposed to the information they present. Most ad hominems are explicit, but this is not a key criterion.

Specifically, your subtle implication of illiteracy and being a moron was an ad hominem abusive argument.

I'm also being a nice guy by letting you off the hook for that ad hominem.

I don't know who you think you are but you need to step down off your high horse.

In all truth, I don't know (and for that matter, nor do I want to know) what qualifies you to judge my comprehension and literacy skills, as well as my level of intelligence. I find that your on-the-spot "assessment" was very insulting.

Thus did you draw the first insult.

You are the one who brought the level of discussion down to this point.

Baloney! At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it was you who started the insults, not me. I'm the one trying to keep this civil, but I see it's beginning to fail.

You said it was the people's responsibility to enact laws to criminalize it. No matter how you describe it, you are talking about involving gov't to implement your solution.

You still aren't getting what I said--the people cannot be afraid to use government if necessary. I also said that this problem is well beyond what society can handle without government interference, thus something that actually has teeth is needed--this is best accomplished by laws. However, you also should note that I added the disclaimer that society must be careful in what it wishes for--overdoing it causes more harm than good.

I'd also recommend reading post 134--that's basically what I'm getting at in my assessment of the smut problem and why it can't just be left to society to resolve.

Finally, until you can present your criticisms constructively and without resorting to mudslinging, I should not and will not reply further.

Thank you and have a Good day.

137 posted on 01/27/2006 7:50:29 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Wow. You are amazing.

Take some responsibility for your comments. You insult me by clear implication that I didn't even know what elementary school kids know ("Since this is a concept that is, amazingly enough, still taught in elementary-school classes", as you said). Then you say that you didn't insult me or start this? I've seen some hard cases before but you take the cake. My response was merely a play on what you had previously said, but of course I didn't whine about being insulted, either.

"I'm also being a nice guy by letting you off the hook for that ad hominem."

Don't be such a drama queen with the professional victimhood stance. You aren't letting me off the hook for anything since you started it. But you can call the Waaaaaambulance if you feel the need.

I'm really wondering if you are just messing with me, surely no one would actually choose to act like you are acting. So now that you've had your fun we can call it a day.


138 posted on 01/27/2006 8:53:21 AM PST by webstersII
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