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Fluoride Foes Win the Year - Scientifically & Politically
Fluoride Action Network ^ | January 2006 | Fluoride Action Network

Posted on 01/24/2006 3:11:50 AM PST by nyscof

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To: RWR8189

LOL!!


41 posted on 01/24/2006 8:17:58 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: HamiltonJay

Strange, I was just yesterday musing on the similarity between creationist attitudes and folks like these nuts.


42 posted on 01/24/2006 8:18:08 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: nyscof

"But the politics of organized dentistry keeps fluoridated water flowing."

Behold, DENTISTS, the source of all evil!

LOL


43 posted on 01/24/2006 8:21:57 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
Behold, DENTISTS, the source of all evil!

Watch it sparky, I'm one of those evil dentists, and I know where you live.

(Hey, it isn't easy being omnipotent)

Anyway, I wish someone could FINALLY explain to me why dentists would conspire to put something in the water to REDUCE the number of cavities. Shouldn't it be the other way around???

44 posted on 01/24/2006 8:25:48 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: HamiltonJay

Q. How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Alabama?

A. It isn't called a "teethbrush."

XD

(just kidding!)


45 posted on 01/24/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: nyscof

John Birchers and Greenpeacers: Dodos of a feather.


46 posted on 01/24/2006 8:30:16 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: TomB

Ha! Never thought of it that way.


47 posted on 01/24/2006 8:32:28 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: TomB

And the Scientologists thought that the psychologists were devious. ;)


48 posted on 01/24/2006 8:33:13 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: nyscof
One of my grand daughters had a problem with her teeth not developing the enamel properly. Fluoride treatments did help, however, the warnings on the bottle included not letting children swallow the stuff.

I question the use of fluoride in the water, simply because there is little contact time with the teeth, and significantly more with other tissues.

49 posted on 01/24/2006 8:53:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: TomB
How can you "medicate" water with something that is found naturally in many area of the country (with absolutely no ill effects)

There are differences between naturally flouridated water and artificially flouridated water. Naturally flouridated water comes with calcium. Artificially flouridated water comes with other chemicals to keep the pipes from deteriorating.

50 posted on 01/24/2006 12:17:33 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
There are differences between naturally flouridated water and artificially flouridated water. Naturally flouridated water comes with calcium. Artificially flouridated water comes with other chemicals to keep the pipes from deteriorating.

Besides being completely inaccurate (where did you hear that???), it sounds like you have a problem with the "other chemicals", not the flouride. The two flouride ions in natural and treated water are indistinguishable.

51 posted on 01/24/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: aimhigh

And perhaps you could answer the question I posed in post #44?


52 posted on 01/24/2006 1:54:43 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
And perhaps you could answer the question I posed in post #44?

Natural flouride is calcium flouride. The calcium itself helps fight cavities.

Cities are using sodium flouride, which comes from aluminum production hazardous waste. There are many scientists who are opposed to articial flouridation. Follow the money.

53 posted on 01/25/2006 5:51:24 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Natural flouride is calcium flouride. The calcium itself helps fight cavities.

Where do you get your information?

Here's a clue, there is no such thing as "natural" fluoride, and free fluoride ions are identical (look at the periodic table). Once a compound is put into water, a certain amount of that compound dissociates into it's component ions, for sodium fluoride, that would be sodium ions and fluoride ions. There is nothing dangerous about either the coumpound (does sodium chloride sound dangerous?) or the elemental ion.

Cities are using sodium flouride, which comes from aluminum production hazardous waste. There are many scientists who are opposed to articial flouridation. Follow the money.

Which brings up my question which you ignored, "what money?" Why in God's name would I recommend something that is going to reduce my income? It makes absolutely no sense at all.

54 posted on 01/25/2006 6:39:37 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
You need to do some research. The idea for floridating cities came from research about cities where the well water had natural CALCIUM floride. But, rather than using the natural formula, they used waste products. Calcium has a positive impact in fighting cavities.

The aluminum companies make lots of money selling their hazardous waste. And they save millions buy not having to spend money disposing it.

55 posted on 01/25/2006 12:10:15 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: nyscof
After an admittedly cursory examination into this seemingly bizarre conspiracy theory, it has been my experience that many of the studies that the advocates of this conspiracy cite don't state that fluoridation is "bad", rather that in certain areas, it may not be necessary, because in some areas there are already naturally occurring fluoride ions. These studies conclusions about the toxic effects of overconsumption (not the mere consumption, but OVERconsumption) of fluoride (something no MD, DMD or DDS would disagree with) are then based on that fact.

That is, it's true that overconsumption of fluoride is detrimental. No one disputes that. However in areas where there is no naturally occurring fluoride, there are positive effects to adding fluoride that greatly outweigh any (diminished) negative effects.

On a more personal note, my father is a dentist and I take it as a rather personal insult that by extension, my father must be engaged in a "commie conspiracy" by advocating water fluoridation. I'm just happy that FR is so large, we actually have some other dentists that come to such threads, and debunk such myths.

It's issues like these, issues that reject science because science isn't understood by the layman, that are an embarrassment to conservatives everywhere. It's the same objection I have to the "intelligent design/creation" foolishness that's headlining in recent news. Not an attempt to hijack the thread into that debate, but rather to point out that not all science is "evil", nor, just because the average person doesn't understand it, doesn't mean it should be rejected.

56 posted on 01/25/2006 12:30:41 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: aimhigh
You need to do some research. The idea for floridating cities came from research about cities where the well water had natural CALCIUM floride. But, rather than using the natural formula, they used waste products. Calcium has a positive impact in fighting cavities.

I'm a dentist, I've been researching this for 20 years, and what you are writing over and over again is fantasy. The reason fluoride was discovered to have decay fighting properties was because it was the ION present in the water. If you don't understand the basic difference between a molecular compound and an ion, you're out of your league. I would also appreciate a link showing the presence of Ca in the water reduces decay.

The aluminum companies make lots of money selling their hazardous waste. And they save millions buy not having to spend money disposing it.

And where do I and every other dentist come in to this conspiracy? You are accusing me of corruption, but you cannot explain how I make any money out of it. Somehow I am making money by supporting the introduction of a substance that reduces my profits. Why would EVERY dentist (with the exception of a few wingnuts) knowingly do this.

If you are going to argue this, you'll have to do better than to continue repeating the exact same thing over and over again.

57 posted on 01/25/2006 1:27:39 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: FourtySeven
On a more personal note, my father is a dentist and I take it as a rather personal insult that by extension, my father must be engaged in a "commie conspiracy" by advocating water fluoridation.

Heh, how do you think I feel? ;)

I was told on an old thread that the ADA was in cahoots with the aluminum industry and every single one of the thousands of studies of the efficacy of fluoride from all over the world was a result of that conspiracy. And I was being "taught wrong" in dental school to the point I was brainwashed into thinking fluoride is safe and effective.

All this coming from someone who got all their info from a website. (much like the current situation)

58 posted on 01/25/2006 1:51:29 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
Why would EVERY dentist (with the exception of a few wingnuts) knowingly do this.

Because of the oppression from dental societies. Your classification of "wingnuts" is a good example. I'd rather see sugar floridated than water. The problem with water is that many more chemicals have to be added, but you don't care what effect they have on people.

59 posted on 01/25/2006 3:01:20 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Because of the oppression from dental societies. Your classification of "wingnuts" is a good example.

Calling names is hardly "opression", and I'm not a member of the ADA. My father, who is also a dentist, also wasn't. So where's the money? Now PLEASE, will you finally tell me about this huge conspiracy?

The problem with water is that many more chemicals have to be added, but you don't care what effect they have on people.

Be careful. You are calling me a liar and accusing me of malpractice. I'd suggest you either back up your assertion or retract it.

60 posted on 01/25/2006 3:21:08 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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