Posted on 01/24/2006 3:11:50 AM PST by nyscof
LOL!!
Strange, I was just yesterday musing on the similarity between creationist attitudes and folks like these nuts.
"But the politics of organized dentistry keeps fluoridated water flowing."
Behold, DENTISTS, the source of all evil!
LOL
Watch it sparky, I'm one of those evil dentists, and I know where you live.
(Hey, it isn't easy being omnipotent)
Anyway, I wish someone could FINALLY explain to me why dentists would conspire to put something in the water to REDUCE the number of cavities. Shouldn't it be the other way around???
Q. How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Alabama?
A. It isn't called a "teethbrush."
XD
(just kidding!)
John Birchers and Greenpeacers: Dodos of a feather.
Ha! Never thought of it that way.
And the Scientologists thought that the psychologists were devious. ;)
I question the use of fluoride in the water, simply because there is little contact time with the teeth, and significantly more with other tissues.
There are differences between naturally flouridated water and artificially flouridated water. Naturally flouridated water comes with calcium. Artificially flouridated water comes with other chemicals to keep the pipes from deteriorating.
Besides being completely inaccurate (where did you hear that???), it sounds like you have a problem with the "other chemicals", not the flouride. The two flouride ions in natural and treated water are indistinguishable.
And perhaps you could answer the question I posed in post #44?
Natural flouride is calcium flouride. The calcium itself helps fight cavities.
Cities are using sodium flouride, which comes from aluminum production hazardous waste. There are many scientists who are opposed to articial flouridation. Follow the money.
Where do you get your information?
Here's a clue, there is no such thing as "natural" fluoride, and free fluoride ions are identical (look at the periodic table). Once a compound is put into water, a certain amount of that compound dissociates into it's component ions, for sodium fluoride, that would be sodium ions and fluoride ions. There is nothing dangerous about either the coumpound (does sodium chloride sound dangerous?) or the elemental ion.
Cities are using sodium flouride, which comes from aluminum production hazardous waste. There are many scientists who are opposed to articial flouridation. Follow the money.
Which brings up my question which you ignored, "what money?" Why in God's name would I recommend something that is going to reduce my income? It makes absolutely no sense at all.
The aluminum companies make lots of money selling their hazardous waste. And they save millions buy not having to spend money disposing it.
That is, it's true that overconsumption of fluoride is detrimental. No one disputes that. However in areas where there is no naturally occurring fluoride, there are positive effects to adding fluoride that greatly outweigh any (diminished) negative effects.
On a more personal note, my father is a dentist and I take it as a rather personal insult that by extension, my father must be engaged in a "commie conspiracy" by advocating water fluoridation. I'm just happy that FR is so large, we actually have some other dentists that come to such threads, and debunk such myths.
It's issues like these, issues that reject science because science isn't understood by the layman, that are an embarrassment to conservatives everywhere. It's the same objection I have to the "intelligent design/creation" foolishness that's headlining in recent news. Not an attempt to hijack the thread into that debate, but rather to point out that not all science is "evil", nor, just because the average person doesn't understand it, doesn't mean it should be rejected.
I'm a dentist, I've been researching this for 20 years, and what you are writing over and over again is fantasy. The reason fluoride was discovered to have decay fighting properties was because it was the ION present in the water. If you don't understand the basic difference between a molecular compound and an ion, you're out of your league. I would also appreciate a link showing the presence of Ca in the water reduces decay.
The aluminum companies make lots of money selling their hazardous waste. And they save millions buy not having to spend money disposing it.
And where do I and every other dentist come in to this conspiracy? You are accusing me of corruption, but you cannot explain how I make any money out of it. Somehow I am making money by supporting the introduction of a substance that reduces my profits. Why would EVERY dentist (with the exception of a few wingnuts) knowingly do this.
If you are going to argue this, you'll have to do better than to continue repeating the exact same thing over and over again.
Heh, how do you think I feel? ;)
I was told on an old thread that the ADA was in cahoots with the aluminum industry and every single one of the thousands of studies of the efficacy of fluoride from all over the world was a result of that conspiracy. And I was being "taught wrong" in dental school to the point I was brainwashed into thinking fluoride is safe and effective.
All this coming from someone who got all their info from a website. (much like the current situation)
Because of the oppression from dental societies. Your classification of "wingnuts" is a good example. I'd rather see sugar floridated than water. The problem with water is that many more chemicals have to be added, but you don't care what effect they have on people.
Calling names is hardly "opression", and I'm not a member of the ADA. My father, who is also a dentist, also wasn't. So where's the money? Now PLEASE, will you finally tell me about this huge conspiracy?
The problem with water is that many more chemicals have to be added, but you don't care what effect they have on people.
Be careful. You are calling me a liar and accusing me of malpractice. I'd suggest you either back up your assertion or retract it.
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