Team Unearths Statue of Egypt's Queen Ti

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[Cronos]

wow, a thread resurrected from 2006. What was I doing in January 2006. I think I had just been 6 months in a new job in JP Morgan Chase and was using my down time to catch up on the history threads

Anyway, Papabear, to your point, Mesopotamia was first populated by Sumerians, who seem related to Elamites and the Harappan civilisation.

Most likely these were all Dravidians -- the Sumerians called themselves Sa-gi-ga or the black headed people

Now, the Dravidians are Caucasians, just not Indo-Europeans (just as Semites are Caucasians but not Indo-Europeans)

So your point about Egyptians being Caucasians (through the AfroAsiatic branch that includes Semites and Berbers), yes, but not to the Indo-European/Aryan branch

[PapaBear3625]

So your point about Egyptians being Caucasians (through the AfroAsiatic branch that includes Semites and Berbers), yes, but not to the Indo-European/Aryan branch

I do not disagree with anything you said. I was just positing that the Egyptians and North Africans might be descended from people who migrated there from southwest Asia, rather than being natively African.

[LadyDoc]

Tiye was not a “commoner” but the daughter of a military man. She just wasn’t part of the royal family.

Nor was she probably a “Full blood” nubian: Most Nubian mercenaries were integrated into Egyptian society, and since her family lived in the Delta one suspects her mom was a local gal.

In the olden days, the “nubian” part was ignored in history, but now the powers that be go overboard in pushing the Black connection...which was considerable, but not as much as some insist.

Like Obama, Akhenatan was probably a “mulatto”.

And both had Nilic, not Bantu, blood: Hence the long face (vs the rounder face of most Bantu Africans)...

[LadyDoc]

actually, Egypt’s southern (”upper”) kingdom developed first because there was a caravan route from Thebes to the Red Sea, and also links to the very rich western Oases and to the Nubian/Ethiopian kingdoms.

The western oases theories are just being excavated, but the theory is that the folks in the savannah didn’t move into the nile valley until the Sahara dried up 12 thousand years ago.

[Cronos]

But that's what I said 7 years ago: all Eqyptians were "Africans" in the sense that Egypt is on the continent of Africa. However, were they Bantu? No, definitely not. They were a mixture of Nubian/Ethiopian types and Semitic types (initially), then you had the mixing with Aryans (through the various invasions of the Sea-peoples and the Greeks and Romans) and now the Arabs. in post 32 -- the core base was Ethiopic and Semitic -- and both of these linguistically belong to the Afro-Asiatic group, and I'd guess also racially.

[Cronos]

what’s the difference between Nilic and Bantu? I’m a little hazy on non-Caucasoid history and differences

[LadyDoc]

different language, different culture.

The Nilotic peoples started in the southern Sudan.LINK

The negroid groups south of Egypt were often invaded by Egypt, or traded with Egypt, and at one point even ran Egypt. However, their languages were different from the Bantu, and the DNA is still being argued.

They tend to be tall and thin, and usually herd cattle.

The Bantu are iron age farmers, who probably originated near Nigeria and worked their way south. LINK

The archeology of Africa is still being done, as are DNA studies, so expect the story to change. Check map here

and a lot of the "religious" wars you read about in Africa are fights between the cattle herders and the famers: Reminds me of the song from Oklahoma: "The cowboy and the farmer should be friends"

[xp38]

Ti is the symbol for titanium.

[Fresh Wind]

Mummy, is that you?

[SunkenCiv]