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1 posted on 01/22/2006 3:10:38 PM PST by Cornpone
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To: Cornpone

Prove He existed? Isn’t that asking just a bit much?
How would anyone prove that a man existed 2,000 years ago if that person was not a high level official, priest, renown artist or at least rich? I have never heard of a database existing so long ago that contained every citizen. Even if the name Jeshua ben Joseph of Nazareth appeared, how would it be proven it was the Christ?


45 posted on 01/22/2006 3:42:26 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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"I'm doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die."

The classical self inflected wound in the foot.

47 posted on 01/22/2006 3:43:54 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: Cornpone

So, if this guy wins, will the Pope be sued next?


48 posted on 01/22/2006 3:46:16 PM PST by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX-"Tom DeLay Country")
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To: Cornpone
I think this is a silly way to promote atheism. And of course it's a purely legalistic strategy, which is perfectly suited for the Eurosocialist mindset.

Belief in God is too historically established & pervasive to make any kind of case that the priest is lying or committing some kind of fraud. The better strategy is to confront people with the fact that they would never accept such claims of magical beings found in a collection of self-serving histories of a persecuted religion from 2000 years ago - if these histories weren't referring to the religion that they happen to have faith in. (Why don't more Christians accept the literal truth of the Holy Quran? It's a literal transcription from the mouth of the angel Gabriel to the hand of Mohammed. Isn't it obvious? ;-)

50 posted on 01/22/2006 3:48:09 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Freakonomics by Levitt & Dubner)
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Better men than this latest fruitcake have pulled this stunt before. Proving He was who He said He was is almost as easy as proving He existed at all. That should be a walk in the park for anyone with a historical, theological background.


51 posted on 01/22/2006 3:48:37 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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It sounds personal. He comes across as a bully who has some long-standing problem with an old classmate (the priest). Probably taunted and bullied him (the priest) when they were kids in school and is doing so yet today by bringing up a frivilous lawsuit.


59 posted on 01/22/2006 3:57:53 PM PST by Kirkwood
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Atheist: Prove Jesus existed


One day as your lying in your bed and dieing
the Loneliness and fear of you passing will
connect with Christ and you will call upon his name
to have mercy upon your soul.

And being the gracious God he is you will be forgiven
even unto your mortal end Because thats what he is
a forgiving God your heart will open as most atheists do
on their dieing bed
if not for the cleansing you will receive than just for the petty thought of covering
all the bases of living a sinful life .
62 posted on 01/22/2006 4:03:05 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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Cascioli says he is merely going through the necessary legal steps in Italy so he can ultimately take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to pursue the case against the church for "religious racism".

The (socialist/anti-Christian) attacks continue.

1. Notice that this is DELIBERATELY taken up so it could go the (viciously-anti-Christian/pro-socialist) courts in the EU.

2. Notice that the PRIEST is writing about Jesus IN a (privately-funded) church bulletin, TO church-goers (not to general athiests-at-large in the community), in a document FOR church believers (who ALREADLY believe based on their faith that Jesus is real/was real/will be real.) What should this atheist then propose? That the priest deny God in his own bulletin?

So, why is the atheist/devil doing this?

63 posted on 01/22/2006 4:03:24 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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JOSS: Look, I'm a reasonable person, and reasonably intelligent. But this experience went beyond both. For the first time I had to consider the possibility that intellect, as wonderful as it is, is not the only way of comprehending the universe. That it was too small and inadequate a tool to deal with what it was faced with.

ELLIE: (a beat, then softly) You may not believe this... but there's a part of me that wants more than anything to believe in your God. To believe that we're all here for a purpose, that all this... means something. But it's because that part of me wants it so badly that I'm so stubborn about making sure it isn't just self-delusion. Of course I want to know God if there is one... but it has to be real. Unless I have proof how can I be sure?

JOSS: Did you love your father?

ELLIE: (softly) Yes. Very much.

JOSS: Prove it.

Ellie stops and looks at him, truly disarmed.

64 posted on 01/22/2006 4:03:30 PM PST by rintense
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I believe Islam admits he exists, doesn't he? Let's see the athiest take after Islam.


66 posted on 01/22/2006 4:05:14 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Cornpone

Just last week I watched a special on the History channel that stated several stories of Jesus' childhood are documented in the Koran. So it isn't only the Catholics & Protestants who believe Jesus was a real person who existed in history.


74 posted on 01/22/2006 4:10:11 PM PST by senorita
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Accuse the athiest of witchcraft, ask him to prove he's not a witch, when he fails prove it, light up the stake.

And if he finds that offensive then tell him to just sit down shutup and mind his own business and we'll leave him alone otherwise...................


90 posted on 01/22/2006 4:25:18 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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I think the problem is that atheists are starting to adopt a tactic that Christians have been using (and I think wrongly). Christians have been trying to change cultures with one fell swoop and atheists seem to be doing the same with the 'high profile' cases. As Christians we should know the example of the early church. Hearts were changed one at a time, and this highly persecuted belief overwhelmed the whole Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was far more 'anti-god' than the US is, yet we think that because Wal-Mart greeters don't say 'Merry Christmas' that our whole belief is in jeopardy. I think we need a little more persecution and maybe no tax exempt status. We might then get back to doing what cannot be argued against, loving our enemies, being kind to strangers, helping our neighbors, and forgiving those who wrong us 70 times 7 times.
We spend so much time arguing about this corrupt culture (and it is) but are we not also lacking what we claim to have when we spend so much time arguing, and not anytime looking for the needy in our own communities to help. We think the bad in culture will infect us, when Jesus said that we as light would heal and preserve. Leprosy was to be avoided, yet Jesus touched lepers literally and figuratively.
I don't wonder why some are atheists when they have never seen Jesus because we are to be like Him, (Kindness, Goodness, Forgiving) and are not. Many atheists are rejecting a dead religion that we should bury too. God's whole purpose is reconciliation of us to Him, and us to each other. His love is His motivation and it should be ours as well. And love covers a multitude of wrongs.
95 posted on 01/22/2006 4:30:43 PM PST by feedback doctor (Socialism, the opiate of liberals)
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Cascioli, a lifelong atheist,

That's BS. Cascioli attended the same seminary as Enrico Righi before dropping out.

104 posted on 01/22/2006 4:46:09 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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Why?

It looks like a publicity ploy to sell books.

From Wikipedia:

Recently a book, "The Fable of Christ" by Luigi Cascioli, an Italian ex-priest, now an atheist, has claimed that the Catholic Church deliberately confused John of Gamala with Jesus to build up their religion. Cascioli claims that his book is a decisive collection of proof demonstrating that Jesus is the result of manipulation and falsification of documents which in reality refer to a certain John of Gamala, son of Jude the Galilean and grandson of the rabbi Ezechia, a direct descendant of the Hasmonean dynasty founded by Simon, son of Mattathias the Maccabean.

Low book sales, so this generates free press time to try to pump up his figures.

Full article here

118 posted on 01/22/2006 5:14:08 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To atheist: Prove you exist.


125 posted on 01/22/2006 6:01:20 PM PST by Thoeting
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Jesus was either what he said he was, and still is..
OR wasn't and still isn't..
126 posted on 01/22/2006 6:25:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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There are CONSEQUENCES to being wrong.

If I, as a Christian, am wrong...and I face only oblivion when I die...what have I lost? Nothing. Sure I've denied myself a few sinfull pleasures, but my life is good. I won't ever know if I was wrong.

If However the atheist is wrong, he faces eternity in Hell.
Hell is a lake of fire. There is no shore, no islands, no shallow end, no discos...just an eternity of being burned alive...you'll never get used to it, and it'll never stop.

No one rules in Hell. It was made for satan and his fallen angels. It just happens to be big enough for those who choose to go there.

All in all, right or wrong, I feel I chose...wisely.


134 posted on 01/22/2006 8:00:50 PM PST by Cyclops08
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Cascioli says that for 2 000 years the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people by furthering the fable that Christ existed, and says the church has been gaining financially by "impersonating" as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

Make Cascioli prove that "John of Gamala" existed.

148 posted on 01/28/2006 11:25:58 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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"I was born against Christ and God," he said.

Many have been against Christ. They've all been wrong.

149 posted on 01/28/2006 11:27:55 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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