Atheist: Prove Jesus existed

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[Señor Zorro]

He also asserts that the Gospels - the most frequently cited testimony of Jesus' existence - are inconsistent, full of errors and biased, and that other written evidence from the time is scant and doesn't hold up to scholarly analysis.

I held this debate with a "religion professor" throughout a semester.

What I don't understand about some athiests, is that if they don't believe Jesus existed, why make such a fuss over some one, that in there mind , never lived?

Because, in their minds, he obstructs human progress. Of course, what they fail to understand, is that humans have not "progressed" at all. Technology has, but man has not. Furthermore, progression assumes some final goal, something to progress to, which in turn implies an absolute standard, which in turn implies a higher authority who put that standard into effect--all ideas that are repulsive to this group of people.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Atheist: Prove Jesus existed


One day as your lying in your bed and dieing
the Loneliness and fear of you passing will
connect with Christ and you will call upon his name
to have mercy upon your soul.

And being the gracious God he is you will be forgiven
even unto your mortal end Because thats what he is
a forgiving God your heart will open as most atheists do
on their dieing bed
if not for the cleansing you will receive than just for the petty thought of covering
all the bases of living a sinful life .

[Robert A Cook PE]

Cascioli says he is merely going through the necessary legal steps in Italy so he can ultimately take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to pursue the case against the church for "religious racism".

The (socialist/anti-Christian) attacks continue.

1. Notice that this is DELIBERATELY taken up so it could go the (viciously-anti-Christian/pro-socialist) courts in the EU.

2. Notice that the PRIEST is writing about Jesus IN a (privately-funded) church bulletin, TO church-goers (not to general athiests-at-large in the community), in a document FOR church believers (who ALREADLY believe based on their faith that Jesus is real/was real/will be real.) What should this atheist then propose? That the priest deny God in his own bulletin?

So, why is the atheist/devil doing this?

[rintense]

JOSS: Look, I'm a reasonable person, and reasonably intelligent. But this experience went beyond both. For the first time I had to consider the possibility that intellect, as wonderful as it is, is not the only way of comprehending the universe. That it was too small and inadequate a tool to deal with what it was faced with.

ELLIE: (a beat, then softly) You may not believe this... but there's a part of me that wants more than anything to believe in your God. To believe that we're all here for a purpose, that all this... means something. But it's because that part of me wants it so badly that I'm so stubborn about making sure it isn't just self-delusion. Of course I want to know God if there is one... but it has to be real. Unless I have proof how can I be sure?

JOSS: Did you love your father?

ELLIE: (softly) Yes. Very much.

JOSS: Prove it.

Ellie stops and looks at him, truly disarmed.

[xmission]

There was another thread about this a few weeks back. one of the comments was something along the line of "Woudn't it be funny if the pope showed up for the trial?"

[atomicpossum]

I believe Islam admits he exists, doesn't he? Let's see the athiest take after Islam.

[Robert A Cook PE]

So, have you seen God? In the flesh I mean - not just in your mind's eye?

I believe, and in that belief, am saved.

[Normal4me]

"Man has not progressed at all"? You got a laptop in your cave? Ya still dragging your knuckles? You still grunting when you speak? Oh wait! That is evolution, nevermind.

[Reily]

Thats also why I never understood atheists fussing about prayer in schools, nativity scenes at Christmas, etc.
If its all a bunch of 'hokum' and meaningless why should they care? The claim that ' well if its state-sponsored then my tax dollars are supporting this nonsense!'. My reply is always 'Gee if thats the only nonsense {in their mind!} your tax dollars support then in comparison its tax dollars well spent!

[mosquewatch.com]

This is new ground for me, i've never really discussed this. I think in very black and white (chocolate and vanilla for the New Orleans residents). Believe or disbelieve, it's ones choice.I just again find it interesting, that people would raise 9 different kinds of hell about something that in there mind doesn't exist lol. I find it amazing they spend so much time and energy to prove NOTHING doesn't exist. ;)

Jeff

[DTogo]

"Common Era" of what, why?

[mosquewatch.com]

The athiests I speak with on paltalk have some kind of affinity for Islam, some of them believe that because they don't have a religion, that some how shields them from Islam. I can not figure that one out.

Jeff

[Robert A Cook PE]

Actually, one expert claims there are more contemporary references to Christ (very early Christians) than there are to many Greek scholars: who are known only by secondary or tertiary sources.

Even almost all famous Egyptians leaders are less "proved" than Jesus.

[senorita]

Just last week I watched a special on the History channel that stated several stories of Jesus' childhood are documented in the Koran. So it isn't only the Catholics & Protestants who believe Jesus was a real person who existed in history.

[mosquewatch.com]

EXACTLY! If it's no big deal, and all hocus pocus, what's the problem? Let us have our hocus pocus, I'm not asking them to do it! :)

Jeff

[xmission]

I believe Islam admits he exists, doesn't he? Let's see the athiest take after Islam.

I think they call him ISA.

[RVN Airplane Driver]

I believe Islam admits he exists, doesn't he? Let's see the atheist take after Islam.

Why would a atheist give Islam a free pass....it's easy to make an argument that this God business has caused the world incredible suffering....and perhaps the most suffering is yet to come!

[fizziwig]

"I submit these types are not just garden variety athiests, but *specifically anti-Christian* which probably requires a special title of such."

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I used to have Athiests in my garden. Raid worked great!

[Señor Zorro]

"Man has not progressed at all"? You got a laptop in your cave? Ya still dragging your knuckles? You still grunting when you speak? Oh wait! That is evolution, nevermind.

Apparently, you have not "progressed" enough to read my entire post. This little line happens to appear therein: Technology has, but man has not. Technology does not fundamentaly change humanity. Furthermore, I do not acknowledge that man was ever dragging his knuckles or grunting to speak. THAT is assumed by evolutionists. Why? Because, in order to evolve we had to evolve from something. Yet, they cannot prove that either of these things used to be true. For all you know, we could have walked on our hands dragging our feet along and talked with high-pitched screetches that can no longer be heard by the human ear. In short, your assumption that we dragged our knuckles and grunted is just that--an unproveable assumption.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Actually, I understand Islam holds Jesus not only existed, but is a very important, high-ranking prophet only slightly below Mohammad.