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Atheist: Prove Jesus existed
News24 (South Africa) ^ | 22 January 2006 | News24

Posted on 01/22/2006 3:10:37 PM PST by Cornpone

Rome - Lawyers for a small-town parish priest have been ordered to appear in court next week after the Roman Catholic cleric was accused of unlawfully asserting what many people take for granted: that Jesus Christ existed.

The Reverend Enrico Righi was named in a 2002 complaint filed by Luigi Cascioli after Righi wrote in a parish bulletin that Jesus did indeed exist, and that he was born of a couple named Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.

Cascioli, a lifelong atheist, claims that Righi violated two Italian laws by making the assertion: so-called "abuse of popular belief" in which someone fraudulently deceives people; and "impersonation" in which someone gains by attributing a false name to someone.

Cascioli says that for 2 000 years the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people by furthering the fable that Christ existed, and says the church has been gaining financially by "impersonating" as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

Gospels 'full of errors'

He also asserts that the Gospels - the most frequently cited testimony of Jesus' existence - are inconsistent, full of errors and biased, and that other written evidence from the time is scant and doesn't hold up to scholarly analysis.

Prosecutors, who in Italy are obliged to investigate such complaints, initially tried to have the case dismissed, saying no crime could be verified.

But Cascioli challenged them, and Judge Gaetano Mautone set a hearing for next Friday in Viterbo, north of Rome, to discuss preliminary motions in Cascioli's bid to have the court appoint technical experts to review the historical data and determine if Jesus really did exist.

Cascioli, 72, said in a recent interview that he decided to pursue the case against Righi, a priest in the village of Bagnoregio, near Viterbo, because the cleric had written in the parish bulletin that Jesus existed.

Cascioli is quick to stress that he has no problem with Christians freely professing their faith.

Righi argues that the existence of Christ is "unmistakable" because of the substantial historical evidence - both pagan and religious - testifying that he indeed lived.

"Cascioli maintains that Christ never existed. If he doesn't see the sun at midday, he can't denounce me just because I do.

"He should denounce all believers!" Righi wrote.

Born 'against Christ'

Cascioli says he fully recognises that his case has a slim chance of succeeding in overwhelmingly Catholic Italy, but not because his argument is lacking.

"We aren't optimistic - unless the Madonna makes a miracle, but I don't think that will happen," he joked.

Cascioli says he is merely going through the necessary legal steps in Italy so he can ultimately take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to pursue the case against the church for "religious racism".

"I was born against Christ and God," he said.

"I'm doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die."


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KEYWORDS: italy; jesus; postedtowrongforum
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To: Cvengr

Thanks for Parrot Post. Made my laugh for the day!


121 posted on 01/22/2006 5:36:50 PM PST by twidle
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To: fzx12345

Same here ! So, who cares whether they existed or not? It's the way of life that works for me!! and millions of
others. Sorry it doesn't work for so many others and that is their problem, not mine. Jesus only told us to "Love One Another". What's wrong with that?


122 posted on 01/22/2006 5:46:13 PM PST by twidle
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To: xmission; Robert A. Cook, PE

BUT: their "Jesus" is supposed to return, support the Madhi's subjugation of the world for Islam, and PERSONALLY lead the slaughter of the Jews and Christians who still will not accept Islam.

According to them, He is NOT The Son of God; He did NOT die on the cross; He was not resurrected, but instead, "he was 'translated' alive to Paradise, and Judas was decietfully crucifed in His place".

After "he" returns, "he" will "finish" living "his" life by first destroying the Jews and Israel, then marrying, fathering children, and then dying 40 years after "his return".

Like everything else "thier Jesus" is a Satanic deception.


123 posted on 01/22/2006 5:59:57 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: GOPPachyderm

It's a way to confound those who want to take Christ out of our calendar.

So yes, it is a joke, and it is also a way to subvert the effort to change our calendar. Imagine some school principal, so proud that his kids no longer use the horrid Before Christ annotation, then he finds out that they think they are saying Before Christ's Emergence!


124 posted on 01/22/2006 6:00:35 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Cornpone

To atheist: Prove you exist.


125 posted on 01/22/2006 6:01:20 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: Cornpone
Jesus was either what he said he was, and still is..
OR wasn't and still isn't..
126 posted on 01/22/2006 6:25:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: savagesusie

Sorry. You are correct.


127 posted on 01/22/2006 6:55:50 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: DBrow

Got it! Sorry to ask for the explanation.


128 posted on 01/22/2006 7:06:03 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: DTogo
To Atheists: What year is it, all over the world?

Certainly not 2006, I'm afraid.
129 posted on 01/22/2006 7:09:27 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe
Why should you care, Atheist? By your own professed belief, you are no better than a dog or a hog that goes "poof" when it dies. Why should you care whether atheists "get a bad name?" (I was an atheist as a student, but outgrew that silliness, by the grace of God.)

Your statement tells me you are a very bad person. Before you "outgrew that silliness," you're telling us you didn't care about your fellow man, yourself, life in general, or doing anything good on earth?

That's just disturbing.
130 posted on 01/22/2006 7:12:15 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Reddy

The true/real/historical story of the whole BC/AD calendar is quite fascinating actually. And it has nothing to do with Jesus himself, either.

But you knew that.


131 posted on 01/22/2006 7:13:44 PM PST by whattajoke
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To: Crazieman

The Jehovah Witness, have have been using the nomenclature for years.


132 posted on 01/22/2006 7:26:10 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Cornpone

There are CONSEQUENCES to being wrong.

If I, as a Christian, am wrong...and I face only oblivion when I die...what have I lost? Nothing. Sure I've denied myself a few sinfull pleasures, but my life is good. I won't ever know if I was wrong.

If However the atheist is wrong, he faces eternity in Hell.
Hell is a lake of fire. There is no shore, no islands, no shallow end, no discos...just an eternity of being burned alive...you'll never get used to it, and it'll never stop.

No one rules in Hell. It was made for satan and his fallen angels. It just happens to be big enough for those who choose to go there.

All in all, right or wrong, I feel I chose...wisely.


134 posted on 01/22/2006 8:00:50 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: GOPPachyderm

Pach, you completely misunderstood my point. I'm actually in agreement with YOU. I think this guy is an ass (as is Newdow) for pursuing something so.


135 posted on 01/22/2006 8:47:19 PM PST by the tongue
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To: the tongue
I'm an atheist, and I don't get this.

If you are an atheist, I would say that you don't get a lot of things, especially the *big* things.

136 posted on 01/22/2006 10:01:52 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch ("Toleration" has never been affiliated with the virtuous. Think about it.)
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To: mosquewatch.com
What I don't understand about some athiests, is that if they don't believe Jesus existed, why make such a fuss

He frightens them.

137 posted on 01/22/2006 10:06:14 PM PST by Mojave
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To: atomicpossum
"Well, you can't be against something that doesn't exist, so, with the defendant's own words, case closed."

Excelent, ap.

As they say in mathematics, QED!

138 posted on 01/22/2006 10:14:23 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Cyclops08
There are CONSEQUENCES to being wrong.

Exactly! However, the calculation of those consequences is much more difficult to carry out than you assume. (See for example #98.)

139 posted on 01/22/2006 11:19:42 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Freakonomics by Levitt & Dubner)
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To: SeƱor Zorro
Of course, what they fail to understand, is that humans have not "progressed" at all.

I've never seen evidence for the progress in which humanists place their faith. I'm more inclined to agree with those who think that man is in fact devolving, morally and spiritually, given his "progress" of the last century. Sadly, there are very few left, even among Catholics, who still believe that man is born in a state of Original Sin.

Because, in their minds, he obstructs human progress.

More likely because he represents sacrifice, the enemy of the ego.

Furthermore, progression assumes some final goal, something to progress to, which in turn implies an absolute standard, which in turn implies a higher authority who put that standard into effect--all ideas that are repulsive to this group of people.

Reminiscent of C.S. Lewis' _Mere Christianity_.

140 posted on 01/22/2006 11:25:07 PM PST by Innisfree
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