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[Canadian] Tories lead by 10, but lots of regional fights
CTV.ca ^ | 1/21/06 | CTV.ca News Staff

Posted on 01/22/2006 12:46:59 AM PST by conservative in nyc

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29.4%

27%

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1 posted on 01/22/2006 12:47:02 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: fanfan; GMMAC

Ping!


2 posted on 01/22/2006 12:47:24 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
The media has ruled out a majority? I guess we'll just have to wait and see the actual seat counts before we know for sure if the Conservatives fall short. It seems to me, however that any place else, a double-digit lead is landslide vote territory.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

3 posted on 01/22/2006 12:52:21 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: conservative in nyc

The media was all over the conservatives today.

The media is throwing itself into the story. A reporter was screaming she was assaulted by the big bad tories in quebec and the media is speculating how much it will hurt them.

The media is also making a big deal that harper wanted to focus on the campaign and didn't want anymore press conferences.

The media is throwing everything at harper to keep Paul Martin in power.


Polls were off 6-7 points last time and the media is going all out after harper.

The conservatives will be under 120 seats. The election will be decided in 905 in ontario and how many bloc voters vote conservative in ontario.

Looking at the races I have the liberals getting at least 103 seats. If the liberals can tip over 12 more close seats they put Paul Martin back in a minority govt.

Harper needs 115 seats to win. Right now it looks about

119 conservative 34 percent

103 liberal 31 percent

58 bloc

28 ndp

Harper needs to stop the bleeding from yesterday


4 posted on 01/22/2006 12:56:08 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: goldstategop
The conservatives are softening in Quebec but in BC voters used to vote Social Credit and now Liberal provincially but vote Conservative Federally. But the seat count is low.

Are you confused yet?
5 posted on 01/22/2006 1:00:30 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: goldstategop

A majority is totally out of the question.

It takes 155 seats to get a majority.

Looking at every race it would take a miracle for the conservatives to get over 125 seats.

125 seats is there highwater mark. There low water mark is about 105 seats. The conservatives need to stop the bleeding in ontario.

These national polls are meaningless. In canada they always seem to skew right.

Also Martin could lose the popular vote and still get more seats.

If you look at the races there is not too much separating the two parties. The liberals will lose over a dozen seats in quebec and slip some in ontario. The key is how much they slip. As it looks right now it looks like they are surging in ontario. They won't get the 75 seats they got last time. But they will also crush the tories in the seat brakedown in ontario.

Very close election with a slight tory minority govt


6 posted on 01/22/2006 1:00:34 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: beaver fever

Are you up in quebec.

I heard the media up there made a huge deal that some conservative security guy grabbed a female french reporter.

The worst people in politics are the ones that always find a way to do something stupid right before an election. Real smart to make a scene in front of the cameras.


7 posted on 01/22/2006 1:03:05 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino

That's hard to do when the media is so downright biased.

The front page of every newspaper is full of negative atricles. Harper needs to stay the course. People can see through the liberal media B.S. It's the exact same crap they did in 2004. Quebec is better than the media is reporting, and some poles show Harper in the 40% range.

With a shift towards the NDP for some die-hard liberal voters, That may just split the vote enough to give Harper a seat as well. So while a poll may say the seat is going NDP or Liberal, it may actually go to the Harper's PC's.
Last election Harper would have won many more seats if the NDP would have siphoned off a few more liberal votes.


8 posted on 01/22/2006 1:06:36 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: johnmecainrino
Are you in kool aid land?

A hard rain is coming!

9 posted on 01/22/2006 1:08:00 AM PST by Hazzardgate
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To: Nathan Zachary

Just saw the headline on CBC that the Bloc is running last minute ads saying don't let calgary control.

It seems like they want martin back in power to further their separatist goals.

How will this play up there. Are the voters that loyal to the Bloc party?

Harper needs to make some inroads in quebec to offset the Martin machine in ontario.


10 posted on 01/22/2006 1:09:34 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Hazzardgate

Hard Rain?


11 posted on 01/22/2006 1:10:08 AM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino

"Are you up in quebec?"

No I'm from the part of Canada closest to Japan.

I'd advise everyone watching this election to ignore the polls. From here on in it's a crapshoot.


12 posted on 01/22/2006 1:14:22 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: johnmecainrino

I am a dual citizen, but I live in ND. I don't think that it will go over very well in Quebec If the Bloc is saying vote Liberal!! That will drive the federalists nuts and show them that the Bloc and Liberals really are in bed, Plus it will anger the West coast even more to have it confirmed that they are being screwed over by a liberal/bloc scam. That just may swing a few more seats over to the PC in the west, and maybe in the eastern most provences as well.

That's dirty business.


13 posted on 01/22/2006 1:16:34 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: goldstategop; conservative in nyc
The media has ruled out a majority?

No one that I've read is talking about election fraud. I believe the electoral officer, a Liberal appointee, has control of the advance ballots until election day. If so, there's plenty of opportunity for fraud. My ballot went into a plain cardboard box with a slit in the top. By the time my carelessness dawned on me, it was too late to retrieve it.
14 posted on 01/22/2006 1:17:38 AM PST by caveat emptor
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To: conservative in nyc

Can someone post a link to free domain,freerepulic's sister site?

Thanks


15 posted on 01/22/2006 1:24:34 AM PST by Reaganez
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To: caveat emptor

I've heard a few stories oon the radio about schools using real ballots for mock voting in school classes. I wonder if they were discarded after? Or saved to stuff a box by a lefty!!
School gymasiums are used for poling stations in Canada, it wouldn't be hard to do. It would be easy to stuff a ballot box there, they are a little to relaxed about those things.


16 posted on 01/22/2006 1:25:26 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Reaganez

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/portal.php


17 posted on 01/22/2006 1:26:33 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: johnmecainrino
In the morning, if I have time, I'll try to put together a chart including ACTUAL 2004 results vs. today's polling. I'll add the FINAL 2004 polling if I can find the breakdowns. Suffice it to say the world is NOT coming to an end. For example:

Ipsos Reid Ontario 2006:
* Conservatives: 38%
* Liberals: 34%
* NDP: 21%
* Greens: 5%

Ipsos Reid Ontario 2004:
* Liberals: 38%
* Conservatives: 34%
* NDP: 20%
* Greens: 6%

A 4-point swing for both the Liberals and Tories.

ACTUAL Ontario 2004:
* Liberals: 45% (Ipsos off by 7)
* Conservatives: 32% (Ipsos off by 2)
* NDP: 18% (Ipsos off by 2)
* Greens: 4% (Ipsos off by 2)

NDP & Green support swung to the Liberals at the last minute due to scare tactics that worked (and the fact that the younger folks TELL pollsters they will vote when they don't - and the NDP and Greens have younger supporters. This time - the TORIES are doing best among older voters). The scare tactics aren't working this time. 2/3rds of the voters want a new government.
18 posted on 01/22/2006 1:32:29 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Canadians might also hate those in Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and New Brunswick if Washington had sent aid in 1775. Better that we didn't get the 14th colony. That would have really f***ed up our flag, 50 stars fit nicely.


19 posted on 01/22/2006 1:35:51 AM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: johnmecainrino; goldstategop
I do agree with you that things are trending toward a Conservative minority government. The smart money at the University of B.C. Election Stock Market is currently at:

Conservative 128
Liberal 91
Bloc 54
NDP 34
Other 1
20 posted on 01/22/2006 1:38:03 AM PST by conservative in nyc
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