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Academic underachievers (Boys, discipline, dropouts, grades, medications, etc.)
The Washington Times ^ | January 22, 2006 | Joyce Howard Price

Posted on 01/21/2006 11:25:45 PM PST by neverdem

    First lady Laura Bush and a growing number of physicians, educators and psychologists say Americans need to wake up and see that boys lag far behind girls in school, and then demand that something be done.


    Mrs. Bush, mother of two grown daughters, speaks at conferences and in interviews about the declining status of boys in today's learning environment. She has charged that boys are being overlooked.


    "I think we need to pay more attention to boys. I think we've paid a lot of attention to girls for the last 30 years ... but we have actually neglected boys," Mrs. Bush told Parade magazine early last year.


    William Pollack, a psychologist at Harvard Medical School, agrees.


    "Boys are suffering. They are sitting in classrooms where they can't perform at the same level as girls and so cannot compete with girls," he says. "As a result, they have lower self-esteem. The bottom line is that they are suffering both academically and emotionally."


    Mr. Pollack, who also serves as director of the Center for Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., points out that both upper-class Caucasian boys and minority boys are failing.


    "All in all, most schools across the country today are boy-uncentered," he says.


    Michael Gurian and Kathy Stevens, co-authors of "The Minds of Boys: Saving Our Sons From Falling Behind in School and Life," back up claims that there is a "crisis in male education" with data from the Department of Education, the State Department and other sources. They point out that boys:


    •Receive the majority of D and F grades given to students in most schools, as high as 70 percent.


    •Create 80 percent of classroom discipline problems.


    •Account for 80 percent of high school...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: boys; girls; malestudents; school
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To: Desdemona
*excellent point*
81 posted on 01/22/2006 12:32:40 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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To: FOG724

I'm not going to assume anything because those are your experiences and who am I to know everything? They happened to you and not to me. To assume that we know more about someone's situation than they do personally is narrow-minded. JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'm not one who puts my eggs all in one basket though because I see lots of different things happen. It depends upon each individual situation so I can't just make one blanket judgement. Heck, I have to worry about my own faults first because I have so many. I can't go out and focus on everyone else's.


82 posted on 01/22/2006 12:37:01 PM PST by moog
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

I agree completely with your statements here. I think you have done a good job with your boys probably and I congratulate you for being a good mother. It was your choice and a good one for you.


83 posted on 01/22/2006 12:39:12 PM PST by moog
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Nice tagline.


84 posted on 01/22/2006 12:39:55 PM PST by moog
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To: moog
Yes, thanks Moog- I have a three year old son who reads at a 6th grade level. He taught himself- I just gave him the he needs and asks for and let him go. I have a 7 year old son who completes math at a 5th grade level and always places at least second in his Science fairs. I just gave him the tools he needs and asks for and let him go.

Yes, I think I am on to something. Boys are wired for sucess- we need to listen to them and give them what they need to go, go, go.

85 posted on 01/22/2006 12:46:02 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Yes, I think I am on to something. Boys are wired for sucess- we need to listen to them and give them what they need to go, go, go.

I REALLY appreciate this statement and I will try to apply it. I think you're REALLY on to something there. It's funny how often the 2nd son or daughter often learns from watching the first one and even exceeds the older child in academics often (not in every case, but in many I've seen).

86 posted on 01/22/2006 12:49:31 PM PST by moog
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To: FOG724
From what I have run into in the school system, boys are evil and girls are everything. The deck really is stacked against boys.

That's the way it was whenI was in school in the 50's & 60's. The teachers LOVED the girls, who all got A's, and always behaved. Boy's seemed to get B's, C's & D's, got whacked regularly with a ruler, and were generally treated as 2nd class students.

87 posted on 01/22/2006 12:52:50 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: moog
Not in this case either. My older son is NOT a reader. Younger son reads to older son around here. The only thing you can do to really teach a child is get down, on every childs level, and get into their head by talking to them and asking them questions~ and see the world thru their eyes and then help them learn and grow how they naturally would go.

And treat them like the geniuses that they are.

88 posted on 01/22/2006 12:53:57 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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To: moog
I think that you probably would give them the same kind of "education" no matter what. You would be a good father (am I guessing right:0)? Education begins in the home. That's for sure.

Indiana, for instance, has designated a challenging curriculum it calls the Core 40, and more than a dozen states, including New York, extend higher-rated diplomas to students who complete more difficult coursework. Virginia awards an "advanced studies high school diploma" to students who complete four years of English, math, science and history, three years of foreign language, and other requirements.

I received a NY State Regents Diploma, which had the same or similar standards, IIRC. All the teachers were male in the least expensive, the reason it was chosen, Diocesan high school in the south Bronx in the late sixties.

I didn't expect such rigorous and challenging opportunities. When I woke up, what a dream. The Dean of Discipline was Father McCormick who was an Iwo Jima veteran. He saw me more than either of us wanted. I was quite fortunate that my mother sent me there.

P.S.The local grammar school class size was usually about 45 students taught by almost all nuns in a working class neighborhood at the north end of Manhattan.

That previous link is found on this thread: College Aid Plan Widens U.S. Role in High Schools

89 posted on 01/22/2006 12:54:36 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

A guy can get D's and still be President. And he can get caught cheating, thrown out of school and still be Senator. So why do we need grades.


90 posted on 01/22/2006 12:57:22 PM PST by poinq
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Agreed again. Wonderful.


91 posted on 01/22/2006 12:58:59 PM PST by moog
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To: neverdem

Glad to hear that in Indiana. They have similar things in my area and back home.

Wasn't Father McCormick famous for something?


92 posted on 01/22/2006 1:01:21 PM PST by moog
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To: poinq
A guy can get D's and still be President. And he can get caught cheating, thrown out of school and still be Senator. So why do we need grades.

Not to mention those "educated" guys like Ward Churchill.

93 posted on 01/22/2006 1:02:29 PM PST by moog
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

my son is also not a reader, and it is a hindrance for things like vocabulary etc on standardized tests. he took the HS placement test and scored in the 98th percentile for math and was a smidge BELOW avg for things like synonyms/antonyms, it is directly traceable to the fact that he just does NOT like to read. he does what he has to, for school, but it is not something he enjoys. we have encouraged him to read the sports page, bought hockey books and other sports books etc. It is just not what he likes to do for enjoyment.


94 posted on 01/22/2006 1:05:13 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
I tried to trick my older son to love reading by bribing him with some really neat rockets and robots. I mean you have to *read* the instructions. He just put the things together by figuring it out..... Or telling him I would sign him up for these really cool Math lessons if he would read! (no luck yet- I will keep you updated!) Good luck.
95 posted on 01/22/2006 1:08:46 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

when he was in first grade we had "reading for DOLLARS", and i literally would pay him by the book (greedy little snot was motivated by $$. a quarter per book and paid up when he got to a dollar). He does fine with the vocab and grammar in school, but really your vocabulary is enhanced tremendously by reading. good luck with your's!!


96 posted on 01/22/2006 1:12:29 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Some kids just do not like to plain read for fun, especially with how many alternatives to books that we have.

But I do think that having children reading things that they are interested in is important. I love it when I hear kids are reading street signs and other things.
One thing at home that can really help reading is reading scriptures together as a family. It did with many of my brothers and sisters. I used to hate it at first because they would take so long, but they sure learned quick after a while.


97 posted on 01/22/2006 1:12:35 PM PST by moog
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To: xsmommy

but really your vocabulary is enhanced tremendously by reading. good luck with your's!!

I REALLY agree with this statement.


98 posted on 01/22/2006 1:13:41 PM PST by moog
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To: wintertime

My children't elementary school is excellent, and no boys are being "educationally and emotionally neglected". Perhaps you should try qualifying your remarks. My oldest son started in that school as a second grader with many problems. He left last year with excellent grades, friends, and a lot of love for his teachers, having overcome a learning disability. One of his teachers told me how they all considered him to be one of their success stories.


99 posted on 01/22/2006 1:15:19 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: xsmommy
Thanks-the going rate is 25 cents per book in our house right now. LOL!
100 posted on 01/22/2006 1:15:39 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Embrace peace- Hug an American soldier- the real peace keepers.)
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