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To: Bullitt

You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.


19 posted on 01/21/2006 11:59:13 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.

I don't know about you but I don't want to kill someone not knowing for sure if it was the right thing to do. That's not something I'd rather explain to God.

As for delusional thinking, people in as bad of shape as her have recovered before. Such things are called miracles and they do on occasion happen. Not that you'll see something like that on the nightly news since it doesn't fit into their nice little worldview.
22 posted on 01/22/2006 12:03:31 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.

The autopsy was the final determining factor in that. But she was breathing on her on and was not on life support. They had every right and justification to fight for her life. What I can't understand is a court system in which in all 50 states considers adultery as grounds for ending a marriage let her husband represent her under those conditions. I didn't buy his story then and I'm not now.

The husband who obviously by his own conduct against his marriage to her had another woman should have been divorced and her parents made guardian.

26 posted on 01/22/2006 12:14:35 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover."

And, this is the core of the problem here. Folks like you who support placing life and death matters into the hands of those who have pure political motivations are sending us down a path of no return with consequences you will not like for you and yours in the future. You have made a charge here which cannot be known.."The Schiavos were delusional." The Schiavos were with their daughter each and every day and let me tell you something..Anyone, anywhere, who puts total confidence into the assessment of the medical profession is a fool. The finest physicians make frequent mistakes in projecting outcomes, because, first of all, they are not God and second of all, new information comes out all the time which changes ideas and approaches to everything. The brain and the nervous system is a NEW FRONTIER and little is known about it. That is why diseases such as ALS are so mysterious and hard to treat. We used to think that by the time a child was five years old, mental and psychological abilities were set and could never be physically changed in the brain..Now, we know the brain is not fully developed and is constantly being developed and "pruned" until the age of 21 or later. The rejuvenation of the brain might be possible in the future..We just do not have the answers. I found the Terri Schiavo case very disturbing in a number of ways..I felt we were sanctioning "euthanasia" which could expand to include lots of folks..I felt we were sanctioning potentially, terrible spouse abuse..I felt we were sanctioning awarding the money from the lawsuit to the wrong person, the husband whose role in all of this was and continues to be very muddy. I felt that it was a travesty to allow him to continue to be her legal guardian. The connection of the Hemlock Society to this case through the legal representation was very disturbing. I cannot even recall all of the insults to my intelligence, but it was daily and it is still very disturbing to think about..


56 posted on 01/22/2006 3:57:44 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.

Recovery was not the point. Terri had a right to live. Unless, of course, you believe that no human being who lives a life you see no value in, has to die. That's the point.

64 posted on 01/22/2006 6:13:28 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover."

I don't think Terry's family was so much focused on whether or not she was going to recover. I think they knew recovery was out of reach.

From what I saw, they just wanted to take care of their severely brain-damaged daughter for the rest of her life. They wanted her to be surrounded by loving family.


67 posted on 01/22/2006 8:03:06 AM PST by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Why the heck can't people understand the difference between "brain-damaged" and "brain-dead"?

Do you favor killing off little toddlers who are brain-damaged when they're born?

Terri was in a similar condition. She was NOT brain-dead. She was severely retarded.


70 posted on 01/22/2006 8:18:14 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.

The Schiavo's knew she would not likely ever 'recover'. They thought she would be able to live out her days comfortably, until such time as God took her.

Terri was murdered by judicial order. She was starved and dehydrated to death by ORDER of a JUDGE and the wishes of HER ADULTEROUS LYING HUSBAND.

The BIRTH of human child is a special gift from God.

ABORTION is just another name for MURDER by JUDICIAL ORDER and the wishes of the MOTHER and/or FATHER.

Deciding to ABORT a fetus because you feel it won't have a GOOD LIFE is very dangerously close to ABORTING babies who are not PERFECT (because you are trying to create the perfect human race).

Admit it, ABORTION is simply MURDER for the convenience of the parent(s).

Terri's death was MURDER for the convenience of MICHAEL.

If I disconnect the brake line on your car and it causes an accident whereby you die, can I claim I did not murder you, I was only trying to reduce the pressure on your brake line?

91 posted on 01/23/2006 9:01:04 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
Yes, many pro choice people, such as Gloria Allred, supported Terri's parents and opposed Terri's killing. I would not, however, label Terri's parents, the Schindlers, as delusional. I suppose there is always a tiny bit of hope if it involves your own child.

Martin Katz stated it well in the The American Thinker:

". . . We, as a society . . . have not managed, for whatever reason, to permit a mother, deluded or not, to put water onto the lips of her dying child, brain dead or not. . . .

"We, as a people, have so shamed ourselves, that we cannot look March Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother, in the eye, and give her one good reason why WE did not allow her to give water to her dying child. How we came to this shameful point in our national existence is a question that demands examination and rectification. For our sake.

"For Mary Schindler, and her severely impaired child . . . it is too late. We did not find it in our collective hearts and souls, in our actions, to have mercy on them."

93 posted on 01/23/2006 9:16:47 AM PST by Dante3
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
You obviously did not follow the Schiavo case closely. Michael Schiavo wanted his wife, Terri, to be denied nutrition and hydration so that she would die, rather than live thirty or forty more years the way she was. Terri's parents did not want their daughter dehydrated to death and were willing to care for her for no matter how incapacitated Terri was. Terri perhaps could have improved with better medical care, but her parents wanted her not to be dehydrated to death even if she wasn't going to improve. Here's an analogy: a Down Syndrome baby may never become more intelligent, but that doesn't men it's moral to starve and dehydrate it to death. People who think Terri Schaivo was "removed from life support" simply do not know the facts about this case.
151 posted on 01/30/2006 12:04:43 PM PST by utahagen
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