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To: DelphiUser

"A member in good standing like you should be able to gain access to records....In May 1961, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints posthumously reinstated Lee's membership in the church.

"It has been determined that he was not necessarily the
cause of the massacre, but a scapegoat. The one man that
took responsibility for the WHOLE Church...AND that
includes YOU it seems."

Proof? ...The reasons for the massacre are complex, but center around a wartime hysteria that had built up in Utah with the announcement in July 1857 that a federal army was en route to Utah to put down an alleged Mormon rebellion. Rumors also circulated that members of the Fancher party had stolen from the Mormons, poisoned their reservoirs, and boasted of their role in the assassination of Joseph Smith.

After the massacre, John D. Lee remained an active leader in Mormon affairs in southern Utah. However, by the late 1860s, questions about the massacre became more and more difficult to avoid, and in October 1870 Brigham Young excommunicated Lee from the Mormon Church for his role in the affair. Lee was the only one so punished and would later maintain that he became a scapegoat to take the public pressure off the more responsible Mormon leaders.
Visit this Utah history website http://www.media.utah.edu/UHE/l/LEE,JOHN.html

I'm sure however that even a historical site is not enough for you....You want the LDS rendition....Here it is...from the Church Apolegetics site FAIR http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/conf/2003SesG.html

...So it's okay now to talk about this but let's be honest, for years and years, this was a subject that we just didn't talk about and when we did we either said, 'Well that was John D. Lee and a bunch of renegade Indians,' or we'd try to ascribe it to some external force rather than to face the fact that some 50 Mormons taking orders from local ecclesiastical leaders actually went out and tricked these 120 people out of their encampment with a white flag and then proceeded to murder them in cold blood with the exception of 17 small children.

So it's a very, very hard thing to discuss especially if you're a Mormon and especially as I know some of you are descended from people who were involved in this.





152 posted on 01/20/2006 7:51:54 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
So it's a very, very hard thing to discuss especially if you're a Mormon...

There you go again making up legends. This is taught and discussed in Church History classes that are taught to High School aged students in Seminary class.

There is nothing in Church History that is not discussed at length.

154 posted on 01/20/2006 8:05:38 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: colorcountry; Dan(9698)
>>A member in good standing like you…

It was April and reinstatement means? (Lots of people have been reinstated after their families request it; they are dead. John D. Lee is now being judged by Jesus Christ, if Jesus Christ allows it he will get everything, if not….)

Proof of conspiracy “It’s complicated” that is not proof, and you would be disappointed in me if I accepted that.

Fairlds: “The Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research (FAIR) was formed in late 1997 by a group of LDS defenders of the faith…”

A good site, I will spend some time on it, but not an official Church site, and cannot admit culpability for the church in a conspiracy any more than I can confess to a crime for you.

>>So it's a very, very hard thing to discuss especially if you're a Mormon and
>>especially as I know some of you are descended from people who were involved
>>in this.

Not hard at all, my ancestors of the time were not even Mormons.

Maybe my requests for proof were not clear, and for that I apologize.

From post #98
>> The one man that took responsibility for the WHOLE Church...AND that includes YOU it seems.

You are stating as “fact” that there was a conspiracy, cover-up, and that Dan(9698) is involved in it. I don’t care that he was excommunicated, or reinstated, or what it says on his tombstone (Pizza or granite) I don’t care who bought it, or who placed it on the grave. None of this is proof of a conspiracy, and since John D. Lee went to this grave denouncing the then current leadership (from what I have read, I was not there) I think it is unlikely he was a willing participant in a cover-up for them.

Your proof to the contrary please.
184 posted on 01/21/2006 10:48:50 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry

BTW How Does John D Lee hook Mormons into the Masons?

I would think Joseph Smith and Brigham Young having been Masons would be a better connection (and one that is well publicized by the church)


185 posted on 01/21/2006 10:51:25 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: colorcountry

The Mountain Meadow Massacre proves WHAT exactly? And the relevance it has today is WHAT?


225 posted on 01/21/2006 5:47:09 PM PST by EverOnward (help support our hero soldiers at anysoldier.com)
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