Posted on 01/20/2006 8:44:03 AM PST by GulfBreeze
If they're legal immigrants and not indentured servants brought here on a H1-b visa then that's the way the system should work. But excessive immigration is obviously causing problems and it'll never get solved as long as businesses can keep convincing politicians the world will come crashing down unless we transfer the entire human race to this country.
"It is not a matter of "enough workers", it is a matter of offering a living wage to the workers."
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Isn't it the RATS who are always preaching about "a living wage."
That is the area that everyone dances around -- the illegal aliens are, economically, filling an illegal need. The only way to really close the door is to give out serious fines and prison time to employers.
We need to address supply AND demand.
Building a wall and keeping who out? Are you saying we should do nothing about the borders and allow the illegals to continue pouring in unfettered?
"You started off in this thread with some half cocked whining about "what about the illegals"?"
Where?
In other words amnesty because that's what "comprehensive reform" is. We'll have to agree to disagree since I'm not in favor of guest worker plans but even if we were to have one it should not be open to illegals already here. As stated before we have a legal immigration system and it works fine when allowed to.
post # 18
"Wouldn't a better policy be to lock up the criminals and keep them in prison and recognize the vast majority of these illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do."
ok, "Illegals" as the title implies, involves breaking the laws.....hence criminality. You shot yourself in the foot on your first post.
post #23
"Ask employers who is willing to do the grunt work in construction, landscaping, and agriculture. Americans don't even respond to the Ads."
BS. I COULD get a bunch illegals to work for me right now and replace my LEGIT workers. I COULD be saving a lot more money. I'm not a scumbag tax cheat employer. I'm a legit business owner.
Why are you siding with business owners who are breaking the laws? What do you have against legit business owners?
post #47
"If we seal the border what will happen to Mexico?"
Hopefully they will be forced to straighten out their own internal problems.
Where is your concern for your fellow Americans? Both legit business owners as well as honest taxpayers?
post # 50
"It's always the evil employer."
We've blasted that one out of the water already... once again, you have a problem differentiating between a LEGAL employer... and illegal tax cheating scumbag employers.
This next one is CHOICE!!!!!
"Next thing in this litany will be "the govt. should guarantee our jobs and wages."
You blew it here big time. Yes, Government TAKES my damned TAX money... the least thing they can do for THIS businessman is to provide for a LEVEL playing field!
The government should make sure that EVERYONE (employees as well as employers) pays their FAIR SHARE of taxes.... thus not letting the burden fall on those who make the conscious CHOICE to play by the rules.
AGAIN!!!
WTF do you have against LEGAL business operators?
This is just your half cocked whining in the first page of this thread... I'm too tired to dig into the second page... you get the idea.
Get your priorities straight.
I really do not know where the term originated. I do know that those of us citizens that work or have worked (my case) for a living, have a stake in the future of this country and faithfully paid their share of taxes through the years are angry that immigration laws are broken and others are ignored.
The GOP is fretful that the "Hispanic" vote is in jeopardy because those of us that want to secure our borders and want laws enforced will cause a perceived backlash among this new base of voters. It's all about power and control in Washington with the GOP at the expense of the people who gave them that opportunity to govern.
"Anybody who disagrees, or wants to look at this problem in a more complex fashion must be the enemy, huh?"
I do not consider you my enemy. I consider you woefully uninformed or MISinformed as far as the REALITIES of running a legitimate small business are in this country.
Actually I can accuse YOU of NOT wanting to look at this problem in a more complex way. It is you who are glossing over what it takes to do things "by the book".
My quick judgements are based on what you have written here. You're missing 75% of what the "fight" is really about.
"Nobody is going to arrest and deport in large numbers the illegals in our country."
Talk to Chertoff....
LOL
He was all fired up about two weeks ago.
Again, you are not my enemy... but I still take offense at someone like you who sides with those lawbreakers. They're taking food off of my table. This is ok with you. That is why I do not agree with your posts.
peace, I'm goin home.
"We need to address supply AND demand."
Yes. This is an issue. However, the lack PARTROTISM by these businesses is much more immediate. I think those places would sell their own mother if somebody paid them enough!
Thanks for your kind comments. I, too, was born in the FRG, at Landstuhl Army Hospital. My Dad was stationed in the Air Force then at Bamberg AFB(now closed, I believe), not too far from Ramstein. I spent 17 years as a military brat, so it was a pretty natural transition for me.
"This is just your half cocked whining in the first page of this thread... I'm too tired to dig into the second page... you get the idea."
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You missed the mark by a mile. Just because I recognize the reality of a situation in no way indicates approval or support of it. You can take your hard line all or nothing approach and years from now we will still be talking because nothing has been done. In the meantime the problem just gets worse.
Why you assume I don't support legitimate business owners is sophomoric. Is it because I recognize and acknowledge that there is a labor shortage in this country?
I don't have any idea how you run your business, but failing to realize what the reality of a situation is makes it impossible to correct a problem, or plan for the future.
Like it or not the reality is we have 12-15 million illegals in this country. For all the huffing and puffing nobody has the will to round them up and send them home. We talk about building a fence/wall but has that idea even gone to committee in the senate?
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