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To: Fester Chugabrew

"The same way one might investigate the designer and builder of an automobile when he does not know who the designer or builder is. HINT: The last thing he rules out is intelligent design, or the possibility that the designer can ever be directly observed and known."

Sorry, not an answer. For one thing, I said how does one investigate God using science. I didn't say how does one figure out where an automobile comes from. You have shown yourself utterly incapable of providing even ONE means to investigate God scientifically. Your argument is an empty shell.

Again, tell is, IN DETAIL, how one investigates God using science. Hint: analogies to humans is not evidence.


523 posted on 01/21/2006 8:26:14 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Analogy to human endeavors in this case works just fine, for they are the best example we have of intelligent design. Human artifacts serve as a good model. If one were to find a human artifact (namely organized matter) he may reasonably infer it was intelligently designed. He certainly is not entitled to discard the idea altogether just because the designer and builder is not directly accessible to give an account of his/her work.

The simplest and easiest test is to determine whether the matter is organized and functional. This may serve as a decent HINT from which anyone might infer intelligent design. In most cases inference is what guides science. You asked for testability. Organization is one of those tests.

Now, when matter is organized and we do not know for sure who did it, should we discard the idea that anyone could possibly have done it just because it has "theological" implications? Should we discard the notion just because it might result in the introduction of religious ideas to the general public? Does science stop just because theology is implied? YES! you say. But only because you are driven by your own opinions and feelings more than simple truth.

And as I've said before, if it is "falsifiability" you are worried about, there is always the possibility that the elements will disintegrate into chaos throughout the universe. In that case I will discard the notion of intelligent design as altogether unscientific. I promise.
528 posted on 01/21/2006 8:45:05 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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