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To: goodnesswins
Conservatism used to be about putting limits on government's power. The conservatives who put out this press release still get it. A lot of freepers don't.

The freepers who want to ignore constitutional checks and balances, in the name of "security," will get a bite in the ass in Hillary becomes president and starts using the unchecked powers they have been so willing to grant to the executive branch.

32 posted on 01/18/2006 8:47:09 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Conservatism used to be about putting limits on government's power. The conservatives who put out this press release still get it. A lot of freepers don't.

Yeah really, these "true conservatives" such as bob barr joining with al agore and moveon.org and singing Kumbya over the evil Bush is the ticket(eyes rolling).

39 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:12 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: churchillbuff
Conservatism used to be about putting limits on government's power.

Do you think that government should be required to get a warrant to wiretap the phones of suspected terrorists on foreign soil? (Not American citizens.)

57 posted on 01/18/2006 9:03:23 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: churchillbuff
Wiretaps in the case of military intelligence monitoring the communications of foreign persons outside the country engaged in actions against the United States? I don't have any problem with ceding that power to the Presidential office, and as has been argued, that power is inherent under Article II.

The term 'wiretap,' being completely innaccurate in this instance, has muddied the waters of the debate. No one can make the case that the NSA has selected specific American citizens, decided to monitor their communications, and sent out someone to attach a listening or recording device to their phone lines, and had an operative sitting in some dank basement with a set of headphones like in the old movies. No American citizen is targeted (selected, etc.) in this.

Any persons in this country, should they be ensnared in this system, are secondary, as one side of a conversation. They are not being monitored, but the party they are speaking to is, and is being monitored not in the interest of criminality (which would be covered by the Fourth Amendment), but in the interest of military intelligence (inherent under Article II).

The control for this activity is still provided for under the Constitution-- through impeachment. Should the Executive abuse this power for political or other purposes not pertinent to military intelligence, they can be impeached and tried by Congress.

61 posted on 01/18/2006 9:07:01 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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