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To: yoe
My natural inclination is to support and trust the President, but I must say, if Clinton were doing this exact thing under the exact same circumstances, I just know we'd be completely outraged. Call me old school, but I don't like the idea of big brother, no matter how much I like current leaders.
5 posted on 01/18/2006 7:19:45 AM PST by dollar_dog
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To: dollar_dog

"My natural inclination is to support and trust the President, but I must say, if Clinton were doing this exact thing under the exact same circumstances, I just know we'd be completely outraged."

Clinton did do it, as did Bush Senior, Reagan and Carter. The left is making this out to be a wiretapping debate which it isn't.


7 posted on 01/18/2006 7:24:56 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: dollar_dog
Call me old school, but I don't like the idea of big brother,

Call you an old fool instead, since you cannot see the difference between "Big brother" and intelligence operations against Foreign Foes. Once those citizens started acting as agents of Al Qeda, they switched from being members of, to enemies of, our civil society.

11 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: dollar_dog
Call me old school, but I don't like the idea of big brother, no matter how much I like current leaders.

You made a huge LEAP from reality to the Big Brother reference.

Can't you see that's exactly why should support our President's right to gather intelligence -- to protect American -- so that we don't lose our freedom.

You have fallen for the liberal propaganda.
14 posted on 01/18/2006 7:44:33 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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I understand your feelings but support this President, he does have integrity - there are many in this country working with others outside of our borders to see America terrorized. So far we have dodged another 'bullet 'by the timely and “wall-less” Patriot Act.


15 posted on 01/18/2006 8:11:10 AM PST by yoe
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To: dollar_dog
It's not old school. It is conservative.

Somehow, that word has come to mean "giving the government as much power as they want to 'protect' me from the dreaded terrorists - and agreeing with every pronouncement the government makes about their need for yet another expansion of power." I guess there are a lot of words that could be applied to that approach, but 'conservative' ain't one of them.

19 posted on 01/18/2006 9:03:41 AM PST by lugsoul ("Try not to be sad." - Laura Bush)
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To: dollar_dog
My natural inclination is to support and trust the President, but I must say, if Clinton were doing this exact thing under the exact same circumstances, I just know we'd be completely outraged.

I don't think I would be outraged if Clinton had "tapped" only the international communications of those contacted by, or who had contacted known foreign enemies, at a time when Congress had authorized Use of Force against those same enemies, in what amounted to a declaration of war upon them, in all but name. There are exceptions to the general rule that to be reasonable a search must be done with a warrant. This is one of them, IMHO. The Constitutional requirement is only for "reasonable" not, "with warrant" searches.

Clinton of course did far more than that, and without any such Congressional authorization.

23 posted on 01/18/2006 9:42:08 AM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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"Call me old school, but I don't like the idea of big brother, no matter how much I like current leaders."

No, you would rather not do anything to protect us and get your butt blown up. Choices? Think!


26 posted on 01/18/2006 5:55:32 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: dollar_dog
My natural inclination is to support and trust the President, but I must say, if Clinton were doing this exact thing under the exact same circumstances, I just know we'd be completely outraged. Call me old school, but I don't like the idea of big brother, no matter how much I like current leaders.

Huh? Toon and Algore did the same thing E-SPY HYPOCRISY - where was the outrage from either side. Toon and Gore were doing it for political purposes, which should have produced plenty of outrage, whereas Bush is doing it to protect us.

27 posted on 01/18/2006 6:51:02 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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