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Myth: Schools don't have enough money
2006 John Stossel ^ | John Stossel

Posted on 01/18/2006 6:54:15 AM PST by Millee

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To: Millee

I don't think the problem is too much money.

I think the problem is that the money is guaranteed and guaranteed to increase almost annually.

Make it so that the money gets sent when the results come in. Those that do better will get more, those that don't get a certain amount, but nothing near what they get now.


141 posted on 01/18/2006 3:20:37 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: Millee
Tomorrow night, the school district where I serve as a Board Member starts formal negotiations with the teacher collective bargaining unit. I'm on the negotiating team, and at the conclusion of the negotiations and once the contract is ratified by the bargaining unit and adopted by the Board, I'll pass along the highlights. I hope it makes for interesting reading.

I will note that school districts all over the US need to re-invent themselves and how they provide services to students. NCLB will help that process along, by hook or by crook.

142 posted on 01/18/2006 3:23:09 PM PST by Fury
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To: snowrip
Well, I'm not liberal at all, but I am realistic.

Children with IEP's are guaranteed certain services due to IDEA. If they are denied these services the parents do and will sue and the school system will not only pay for the services, they will pay for damages and all attornies fees.

The attorneys in DC have made a regular cottage industry of suing the school system there. They even advertise on TV for clients.

So do they have a natural, God given right to these things? Course not, but the Congress in all of its collective wisdom gave disabled students certain powers and the attorneys know every loophole and how to ding a system for maximum money.

So given this as a reality, I'd love to know how to reduce expenses. And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way, but a sincere one. Do we lobby Congress for changes in IDEA? Do school systems bend over to every request by parents? I document every single thing I do in the classroom when it comes to accommodations for my special ed kids. If I am sued, I want to be able to defend my actions and show proof of compliance.

That is my reality. It's not a liberal or a conservative position.

143 posted on 01/18/2006 3:28:24 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Dave Olson

School systems don't have to cover Social Security? Then why is it coming out of my paycheck each month? Am I misunderstanding something?


144 posted on 01/18/2006 3:30:54 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Dave Olson
So I'm picturing your scenario of 25 kids sitting in an open field surrounded by 5 teachers. You are leaving out the building, the busses, the gas for the busses, electricity, natural gas, insurance for sport teams, uniforms for sport teams, stipends to pay coaches, computers, supplies, desks, chairs, principals, assistant principals, librarians, computer techs, cafeteria workers.......

There is horrible waste in the school sytem, but the waste is not of physical resources, it's of teachers who are too lazy to teach and kids too lazy to learn and parents too tired to do anything at home and wanting the schools to do it all. The waste is of minds and talents of our young people. I worry about what our country will look like in 20 years when these kids are adults. We need a systemic change, not little pieces here and there. I doubt vouchers are the total answer, but they may be a part. The product that schools are putting out is inferior. Teachers get no respect from communities, parents get no respect from the teachers and everyone points fingers at each other while fighting for scraps when our kids precious minds are wasted.

145 posted on 01/18/2006 3:39:36 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

" For starters, I am not going to say that schools do not waste money. That would be an indefensible position."

Getting a handle on the waste would be a great first step, which has been my point (and yours?) from the beginning. Killing programs like social awareness issues classes, laptop giveaways, robotics labs, and the like would be an excellent start. in Maine, for example, we have spent tens of millions on redistricting, so that towns that never needed them can get gigantic new schools.

Eliminating the stranglehold of corruption at nearly every level of our educational system maintained by the unions would be my personal second move (although this corruption leads to a huge deal of waste and graft, which is more in keeping with my first point). My grandfather maintained that the unions would be the death of this country, and the teacher's union defines that opinion perfectly.

Cut the waste, cut the beaurocracy.


146 posted on 01/18/2006 3:50:24 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: SoftballMominVA
School systems don't have to cover Social Security? Then why is it coming out of my paycheck each month?

What state are you in? Here in Colorado, teachers aren't subject to Social Security. They're covered by PERA.

147 posted on 01/18/2006 3:54:32 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson
SoftballmoninVa.

The great Commonwealth of Virginia

148 posted on 01/18/2006 3:56:59 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Acts 2:38
Government fails on purpose, so it can justify ever increasing budgets and bureaucracy.

The "big lie" of bureacracy - no bureacrat wants to put themselves out of a job by solving the problem they're hired to fix.

149 posted on 01/18/2006 4:02:22 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: SoftballMominVA
So I'm picturing your scenario of 25 kids sitting in an open field surrounded by 5 teachers. You are leaving out the building, the busses, the gas for the busses, electricity, natural gas, insurance for sport teams, uniforms for sport teams, stipends to pay coaches, computers, supplies, desks, chairs, principals, assistant principals, librarians, computer techs, cafeteria workers.......

But those expenses aren't exclusive to the public school system. And besides, buildings, busses, uniforms, desks, chairs, etc are re-used from one year to the next.

150 posted on 01/18/2006 4:03:59 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson
And adding in the benefits (by the way, public school employees aren't subject to SSI), wouldn't change that ratio, since they all get the same benefits.

Gak! I was wrong. The ratio can change.

151 posted on 01/18/2006 4:05:42 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson

Oh, books, forgot books. Now there's a racket for you. Our English book costs $87 to replace; the math $74. Someone is making some serious bank on selling books.


152 posted on 01/18/2006 4:06:16 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Dave Olson

Ah, no biggie, we are ust shooting the breeze here. In a perfect world our rantings and ravings could have a real affect. The problem is that we intelligent, well-spoken people who can listen rationally without taking personal offense are in the minority in this world. I didnt' take a single comment personally. We are ALL frustrated at the state of schools and we all feel powerless to change the system. My part is to be the best teacher I can and raise the best children I can. Others choose to pull their kids out entirely. Both are valid choices given a certain set of circumstances.


153 posted on 01/18/2006 4:09:59 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: socialismisinsidious
I know just what you mean. We are second generation private and home schoolers. Our Son has five that have never attended a government school. I take that back the two older ones are going to college on government scholarships.
154 posted on 01/18/2006 5:03:14 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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155 posted on 01/18/2006 5:37:38 PM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jsher/)
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To: Millee


Ben Chavis's school:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/12/16/MNGAKG93SS1.DTL

Wow!

Keep up the good work Stossel.

More articles on Charter Schools:
http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolarticles.htm




156 posted on 01/18/2006 6:15:58 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: Mike Bates

From a link that went dead:

The 100 highest salaried public school teachers in Illinois have a pay grade ranging from $173,077 (high end) to $132,940 (low end)? Check out this site, they list every one. And click here for the 100 highest paid Illinois public school administrators who make from $302,746 (high end) to $194,822 (low end).


157 posted on 01/18/2006 6:17:50 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: everyone
There's a really good book that addresses the history of the school system, why it's broken, what their goals are, etc. The author taught in the N.Y. public school system for 30 years, most of them in New York City itself, and received awards for "Teacher of the Year", in both his district and the state. The book is titled "The Underground History of American Education", and is written by John Taylor Gatto. After reading this book, you'll have a great picture of what's going on. This is written from the inside, and is well-researched. If you can't afford the price of the book (because all of your money is being sucked out by the school system), you'll be able to read the whole thing online, although, with about 400 pages you'll probably just want to order it. The website is: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

Sorry if someone's already mentioned this. I read most, but not all of the posts, and didn't notice it posted.
158 posted on 01/18/2006 6:45:07 PM PST by do-it-yourself (There is a better way!)
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To: Millee

Yes, schools have plenty of money. They just need to cut the top level of assistant superintendents, etc.


159 posted on 01/18/2006 7:41:40 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Millee

*8They just need to cut the top level of assistant superintendents, etc.**

And put that money into educating the children!!!!!!!!!


160 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:35 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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