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Why Johnny Isn't Going To College
The Eagle Forum ^ | Jan. 11, 2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 01/17/2006 2:32:51 PM PST by MensRightsActivist

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To: MensRightsActivist
BTTT.

...and LOVE your screen name! :)

21 posted on 01/17/2006 3:13:34 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: exit82

I hate to use a catchphrase, but: "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." Even a liberal arts degree is not worthless--if nothing else, you walk out of college better able to communicate and think. Those are skills that never go out of style and are applicable to many different professions. Other than plummer & electrician, just what jobs are out there where someone can earn the same wage as a college grad? You may be able to point out specific instance where HS grads do better than college grads, but on average, college grads earn much more. On Average being the most important statistic.

Every job that can be outsourced is NOT going to be outsourced. If you think this, then you must also think we have no future. So why bother to get out of bed in the morning?


22 posted on 01/17/2006 3:13:54 PM PST by rbg81
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To: MensRightsActivist

I find it interesting that of all the male sports programs that were talked about being eliminated at colleges, not once was basketball mentioned.

Please don't read more into it, but I wonder if basketball is safe because it has a higher ratio of protected minority students playing the game?


23 posted on 01/17/2006 3:20:29 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Heyworth

Surely you know that they do not go to college because they are attacked viciously by women and the gonadless professors who perpetrate the myths of domestic violence and "male agression".
Surely you know that they are scorned and spurned and maligned more than any woman ever was and possibly more than blacks were.

Surely you know that.

Its not just "wrestling" and yes we DO have more problems that Title IX.


24 posted on 01/17/2006 3:22:21 PM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: exit82

There's more to life than money - the things you learn in college change your life.


25 posted on 01/17/2006 3:24:32 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: rbg81

True. A lot of jobs require a person to have a bachelor's degree, regardless of what it's in...


26 posted on 01/17/2006 3:25:57 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: drjimmy

"Schlafly actually makes this claim later in her article: "The lack of college sports teams and camaraderie makes many high school boys wonder, why bother going to college?"

Idiots all."

Newsflash: People are not machines like computers, whose memories can be relentlessly programmed with information that is stored and regurgitated. Some people even believe "thinking," and "cognition" are processes stimulated by classroom learning and enhanced/reinforced through sportsmanlike activities that build and strengthen the physical body as well as the character. Some believe that males are the ones whose minds are most captive to the need for sports programs in the formation of their educations.

To flippantly dismiss sound educational methodologies, i.e., "idiots all," without using soundly researched documentation is beneath scholarly refutation, IMHO.

27 posted on 01/17/2006 3:26:09 PM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: theFIRMbss

My son had an awsome kicking coach(a woman, I might add) that told the kids to ALWAYS pick a school that fit their educational needs first.


28 posted on 01/17/2006 3:26:19 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: CWOJackson

Most sports in which collegiate athletics are used as a "minor league" system are self-financing. In fact, it's not uncommon for many Division I schools to have their football and basketball programs provide all of the revenue they need for their entire athletic budgets.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 3:32:13 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: ladiesview61

Our auto mechanic told us that there's getting to be such a shortage of qualified machanics that one could easily earn over $100,000 just doing that. Trades are now being discouraged, but who's going to be doing that work? It needs to be done and anyone who's ambitious enough can make a great living, IMO. If this country ever has a depression, who's gonna need a financial analyst?


30 posted on 01/17/2006 3:34:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MensRightsActivist
In such cases "profitable" male sports programs are just eliminated to establish the gender feminist's view of equality in sports programs.

I challenge you to find me a single case in which a "profitable" male sports program was eliminated in order to help a school meet the Federal Title IX requirements. It simply doesn't happen, which is why the male sports that are eliminated under these stupid rules tend to be things like wrestling, fencing, etc.

Even the most radical, left-wing feminist organization has a soft spot in its heart for the huge piles of cash generated by major college sports programs.

31 posted on 01/17/2006 3:36:05 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: GOP_1900AD
When Malcolm X was in Junior High, a teacher told him he should not expect to become a lawyer and instead he should plan to work in a trade. This incident created the sad life he ended up living, it scarred him. Now, today, all young men, no matter what race, need to think about whether their own dreams are realistic. Even if they are the most qualified candidate, they might get passed over for a quota hire / promo. Why bother?

I really believe most young men would do far better financially if they entered the trades than to go to college. An honest, hardworking, responsive electrician or plumber who runs his own business has a much better chance of becoming a millionaire by 40 than an MBA, attorney or doctor who probably starts his career in his mid to late twenties with a hundred thousand in student loans.

32 posted on 01/17/2006 3:37:39 PM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: Heyworth
I'm sorry, but if young men aren't going to college in such numbers simply because the school doesn't have a wrestling team, or a football team, or whatever, then we've got deeper problems than Title IX.

The 18 year old kids that decide to go to college, or not, don't necessarily operate on pure logic.

Title 9 still needs to be thrown out because it attempts to legislate identical outcomes in men and women, when that's not possible, or even really desirable.

33 posted on 01/17/2006 4:07:15 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: CWOJackson

Considering what public education has achieved using that philosophy [and more and more of my tax money] - nothing.


34 posted on 01/17/2006 4:12:13 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: MensRightsActivist
PC is driving young men away from colleges. Many are learning trades, entering the armed forces, or, most regrettably, running afoul of the criminal justice system.
35 posted on 01/17/2006 4:12:27 PM PST by JAWs
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To: rbg81
Even a liberal arts degree is not worthless--if nothing else, you walk out of college better able to communicate and think.

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you here. I graduated college back in '97 and, quite frankly, most of the non-science, math and engineering courses seemed less designed to provoke thought than to indoctrinate. A liberal arts degree these days would be less than worthless, because it would probably indicate that 1) the student was too lazy or too inept to pursue a real degree, or 2) the student has been fully indoctrinated with left-wing ideology, or both. Now that college degrees are viewed as an entitlement, they have been dumbed down to suit the masses.
36 posted on 01/17/2006 4:15:22 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: exit82
Unless you plan to be a professional(including teaching), why bother with college.

Our family physician was an English major in college before med school, and is the most compassionate, competitive doc we have ever had, period.

Unless of course, you enjoy your employees/family atty/etc mispelling every other word in a company memo.

37 posted on 01/17/2006 4:17:13 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: MensRightsActivist

Many guys are going to college, the problem is that they just happen to not be US Citizens. Walk into any engineering faculty in the nation and just look around the lecture hall.... Those kids are the cornerstone of the economic future of America.... They are the ones who will keep the infrastructure going.... And most of them are foreigners....

Its all attitude. Book learning and anything involving a calculator isn't seen as a desirable thing to do. It is in Russia, China, and India.

Either we attract those young adults here or they will beat us at our own game.


38 posted on 01/17/2006 4:20:53 PM PST by rasblue (Everyone has their price)
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To: rbg81; exit82

Guys need to start their own businesses....and SOME of those biz's require specific training, and some MIGHT require college education....but MOST of all, they require initiative and follow-thru. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have done quite well without a college education.....by STARTING their OWN businesses. I do believe college is good for teaching you to use your brain.....IF you go to the RIGHT college! My 2 cents.....having gotten an MBA, and having been elected to a Community College Board of Directors.


39 posted on 01/17/2006 4:34:46 PM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: Heyworth

Exactly.

There's some reason young men aren't going to college, but this article is absolutely silly!
What percentage of male college grads YOU know went to school on an athletic scholarship?
One out of a hundred?
One out of five hundred?

GRADUATES now, not entering freshmen?


40 posted on 01/17/2006 4:38:42 PM PST by Redbob
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