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Childlessness A Sin, Southern Baptist Leader Says
KWTX ^ | 1-17-06

Posted on 01/17/2006 1:31:49 PM PST by WKB

Rev. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, says it's "an absolute revolt against God's design" if husbands and wives purposely avoid bearing children.

On his Web site and other articles and interviews, Mohler argues that "marriage, sex and children are part of one package" and that "to deny any part of this wholeness is to reject God's intention in creation and his mandate revealed in the Bible."

In a CNN interview, the Baptist leader added, “We grow up by having children. Without that responsibility, we have a generation of perpetual adolescents just growing old."


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To: HKMk23
>>Simply put, any attempt to transform a legitimate, God-given personal conviction into a universally applicable spiritual law will result in conflict and dissention, and ought rightly be regarded as sinful.<<

I believe some of the problem lies in the fact that many Christians unknowingly limit the power of God as it relates to each individual. It took me many years of living and an education to be humbled by the power of God. And yet, I continue to doubt that I, or any man, has scratched the surface of knowing the true power of God. A god who can create a universe and hold it together for as long as he has can surely affect each of our lives. He has the power to convict one without convicting the other.

And too, probably applicable to this discussion is Jesus' instruction for us to "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:" This is perhaps the most difficult of Christ's instructions to follow.

Muleteam1

321 posted on 01/17/2006 4:09:29 PM PST by Muleteam1 (Higher education comes with or without wisdom.)
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To: Laura Earl

There are vasectomy reversals.


322 posted on 01/17/2006 4:09:45 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: iPod Shuffle
be fruitful and multiply!

(re: your public-transportation nightmare photo)
Well, maybe Mohler has a point.
With more people born, we're more likely to hatch "The Thomas Edison
of Deoderants/Anti-persperants".
323 posted on 01/17/2006 4:10:40 PM PST by VOA
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To: WKB

A fatwaw by any other name is still a fatway. This joker is every bit as loony toons as the nutbar in Egypt who's afraid husbands and wives might be getting naked.


324 posted on 01/17/2006 4:14:02 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: RobbyS
He has the right to worry, on just pragmatic grounds, about our "choices." The birthrate among "Euro-Americans" is not much higher than that of the Europeans. Our population is growing largely becuse of immigration and a higher bieth rate among immigrant families. Children are perceived as a"threat" to our standard of living.

Simple solution is stop abortions & promote adoptions. I'm serious in this. I would say based on married couples I see around me the actual number of couples choosing not to have children is actually very low. We've all seen the numbers on abortion though which is already life conceived. Their genocide is a major problem and an actual sin. But it's not married men and women simply choosing not to have children that is causing a decline nor are they sinning in doing so unless the Lord himself places it upon their hearts to have kids and THEN they refuse.

325 posted on 01/17/2006 4:15:42 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have to ask, why should everyone have children?

I would make a lousey parent. I absolutely can't stand kids.


326 posted on 01/17/2006 4:17:15 PM PST by brooklin
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To: unixfox
But I will say this, single and childess white males get no special treatment as far as taxes are concerned. As a matter of fact we get punished for not having children and not being married.

Your post has some unecessary qualifiers. The question is whether it's intentional or just sloppy writing?

Childless black males get the same treatment as white males as far as taxes are concerned. Childless Asian females get the same treatment as childless white males as far as taxes are concerned. So, one has to wonder why you specifically limited your statement to whites and males.

327 posted on 01/17/2006 4:18:46 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Muleteam1

Just when I got to the end of the thread (geesh!) I find the voice of reason with a kind soul. Thank you.


328 posted on 01/17/2006 4:20:27 PM PST by chalkfarmer
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To: unixfox

The same goes for single, white, childless females. I cringe when I hear of tax breaks aimed only at families--I want one too!


329 posted on 01/17/2006 4:20:58 PM PST by rhetorica
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To: class8601_nuke
It was twice for me. Both times were on active duty but not because of my service. The first time I accepted Christ it was in conjunction with becoming a member of the denomination that "saved me". The second time, the only time that matters to me, I accepted Christ on my own and without the restrictions imposed by others.

This is off topic but something you might find interesting. It's an incident I think back on often.

I was on a flight once where I sat next to an engineer from JPL. I couldn't help but notice he was reading a report of a Mars lander project. I commented that his work must be interesting. He replied by telling me about his career and the many leading edge projects he had been involved with.

I was impressed and told him so. He took out his wallet and handed me a plastic laminate card; inside of it was a simple blade of grass. That was his anchor to reality. No matter how much he had accomplished, no matter what gains he had made, none of it compared to that blade of grass and the One who had made it. (

I carry my own blade of grass around with me today.

330 posted on 01/17/2006 4:21:27 PM PST by CWOJackson (tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in the Star Wars trilogy?)
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To: LizardQueen

God Bless you and your husband. Doing the right thing is so hard and you so seldom get any credit for it from outsiders.


331 posted on 01/17/2006 4:27:01 PM PST by rhetorica
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To: RobbyS
The "cheaper-by-the -dozen" families I have know say the expense tends to flatten out after four kids.

Except for food, when you have teenagers. And vacations get much more economy-level.

332 posted on 01/17/2006 4:27:27 PM PST by heartwood
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To: dangus
They are full grown doofus. Not everyone is genetically programmed to be 6'4.
333 posted on 01/17/2006 4:27:45 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: WKB
Rev. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, says it's "an absolute revolt against God's design" if husbands and wives purposely avoid bearing children.

Absolutely true.

Marriage has two natural purposes, the begetting and raising of children, and the mutual care of the spouses.

A sacramental marriage builds on nature. The purpose of a sacramental marriage is not just to beget and raise children, but to prepare them for heaven. Similarly, the husband and wife work not only for the earthly good of the other spouse, but also for their eternal welfare.

A marriage may be annulled in the Catholic Church if the bride or groom enters the marriage with the intention of never having children.

334 posted on 01/17/2006 4:27:57 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: CWOJackson

Great story. I was reactor operator onboard Enterprise (CVN-65) and everything I touch, everything I hear, everything I see points me right back to the One who created everything with a word. I tried to read the Bible, but I never understood it. I had to get to the point of not being able to control myself or my surrounding (that I ever thought that I had control makes me laugh) before I was ready to hear "Peace on earth and mercy mild, God and sinners reconciled"


335 posted on 01/17/2006 4:29:53 PM PST by class8601_nuke (don't just be critical, be prompt critical.)
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To: class8601_nuke
To be total off topic, did you guys accept Him while in the military, or afterward? I had to go through some difficult times of my own making before I was ready for Him. I accepted about 7 years after I got out.

I excepted Christ about age 14 & fell away during my military time somewhat and a while after that. I didn't never believe I just didn't think on it and was busy being a typical stupid youth. There's an old saying if you want a mules attention you gotta smack them with a 2X4.

Some tragic and then life altering events brought me back. Not to a perfect walk by any means but neither would have I survived of my own strength and mind. I learned a couple of decades ago how GOD deals with us one on one. I was taught what adversity is, what tempering meant, and what faith can do to get you through it.

I know from experience if GOD had wanted me to produce a child it would have been so despite precautions taken not to especially in my second marriage. Now however I see he knew what awaited ahead for me and my wife. I helped her finish raising her two kids and fathered no kids myself.

336 posted on 01/17/2006 4:31:34 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: eleni121

You need to check out some of the threads that involve dating. There are whole lot of FReeper males who do nothing but continually bemoan their inability to attract women. I won't name names, but if you want, I'll be happy to link you to some of the threads and you can discover them for yourself.


337 posted on 01/17/2006 4:32:08 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: class8601_nuke

Excellent. Didn't it sure sound good when you heards those words, really heard them, for the first time?


338 posted on 01/17/2006 4:33:47 PM PST by CWOJackson (tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in the Star Wars trilogy?)
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To: Gordongekko909

No, kids do not equal misery. How sad that you see it that way.


339 posted on 01/17/2006 4:35:29 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: cva66snipe
Isn't it funny how some of us have to come to the end of ourselves before we're ready to accept Him?

Brother, if you have taught any children, whether yours or others, about the Son of God and His gift for us, you are to be commended.

340 posted on 01/17/2006 4:37:08 PM PST by class8601_nuke (don't just be critical, be prompt critical.)
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