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Earth Doomed (according to renowned British scientist)
TerraDaily ^ | January 16, 2006

Posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:06 AM PST by NYer

Renowned scientist James Lovelock says he believes the world has passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilization is unlikely to survive.

Thirty years ago Lovelock conceived the idea that Earth possesses a planetary-scale control system he named Gaia, which keeps our environment fit for life, The Independent reported Monday. But now he believes mankind's abuse of the environment has made climate change insoluble and life on Earth will never be the same again.

In an extraordinarily pessimistic new assessment published in Monday's Independent, Lovelock suggests efforts to counter global warming cannot succeed, and that, in effect, it is already too late.

Lovelock now believes Earth and human society face nearly complete disaster, and sooner than nearly anybody realizes.

He writes, "Before this century is over, billions of us wil! l die, and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic, where the climate remains tolerable."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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To: NYer

Might as well just lie back and enjoy it.


41 posted on 01/17/2006 8:00:48 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: TXBSAFH
... the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic, where the climate remains tolerable.

I guess not everyone's a warm-weather person.

42 posted on 01/17/2006 8:00:56 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: NYer
Dr Lovelock at work: DOOMED
43 posted on 01/17/2006 8:01:41 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: NYer
Renowned scientist James Lovelock says he believes the world has passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilization is unlikely to survive.

You know, Lovelock may actually be right. However, his premise I assume is that macro climate change is somehow caused by mankind. He is wrong in that respect. Mankind has no control over global climate change unless man controls volcanic activity, the oceans, the earth's core, the electromagnetic field surrounding the earth, and the sun's cycles. Anyone, "renowned scientists" included, who states otherwise is pushing some kind of agenda.

44 posted on 01/17/2006 8:01:57 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: NYer

I guess it doesn't require much in the way of brains to be considered a "scientist" in Britain


45 posted on 01/17/2006 8:02:04 AM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: Smokin' Joe

oops. I hate it when it does that...


46 posted on 01/17/2006 8:02:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: NYer

This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council. As you will no doubt be aware, the plans for development of the outlying regions of the Galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system, and regrettably your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition. The process will take slightly less than two of your Earth minutes. Thank you.


There's no point in acting all surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you've had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it's far too late to start making a fuss about it now.


47 posted on 01/17/2006 8:03:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NYer; DaveLoneRanger
Before this century is over, billions of us wil! l die,

This is probably true but it will have nothing to do with climate change.

48 posted on 01/17/2006 8:05:47 AM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: D.P.Roberts

Great link, I love that kind of stuff, thanks!


49 posted on 01/17/2006 8:05:58 AM PST by Paradox (What "tax cuts for the rich". They are paying more taxes now than ever!)
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To: diverteach
Think this is junk science?

"Yes" says a geologist...

50 posted on 01/17/2006 8:06:46 AM PST by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: AntiGuv
That is so far off in time that we will be Peaceful Light BeingsTM by then...
51 posted on 01/17/2006 8:08:30 AM PST by Axenolith (Got Au? Ag?)
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To: AntiGuv

According to solstation.com, the sun (as all main-sequence stars) slowly brightens (while remaining the same yellow-white color) through the main sequence. Even so, by the time the sun is just about ready to become a red giant it will already be 2.2 times as bright as today, meaning Mars will get as much energy as Earth does today (good argument for terraforming, perhaps?).

Estimates for the Sun's brightness as a red giant ranges from 625 times current to 5000 times current.

To calculate how far you'd need to be to have current Earth-like solar imput:

Earth Equivilant Distance (in AUs) = Square Root of Stellar Luminosity (in Solar units, so current solar = 1)

Assuming 625 times current brightness - 25 AU's, or about the distance of Uranus

Assuming 5000 times (which is, granted, probably way more than it will actually be) - 70 AUs, or between Pluto and the outer reaches of the Kupier Belt.


52 posted on 01/17/2006 8:09:40 AM PST by RockinRight ("It's as if all the brain-damaged people in America got together and formed a voting bloc" - Coulter)
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To: NYer

Sheesh, if we are going to fail no matter what....hey lets break out the SUV's and have a ball!!!!


53 posted on 01/17/2006 8:10:13 AM PST by fizziwig
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To: RockinRight

PS. And if the location we need turns out to be where Uranus is today, that's no big deal if whatever civilization is here can move the earth. After all, we've got at least a few hundred million years to work on it. Moreover, we should have the terraformed Venus and Mars to work with as well. I guess they'll need moving too.

And there's other big fish to fry before then BTW! Such as the more intense solar waves ripping away the earth's atmosphere. We'll wanna do something about all that....


54 posted on 01/17/2006 8:10:46 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: NYer

GAIA???? Yea, no bias in this guy


55 posted on 01/17/2006 8:11:15 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Another global-warming fundamentalist.

Yes, I think that is the perfect description.

56 posted on 01/17/2006 8:12:02 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: NYer

More horse pucky from the original horse's a$$. Turn your hymn books to page 93 and we'll all sing "What a Friend We Have in Gaia."


57 posted on 01/17/2006 8:12:51 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: NYer
Thank God!

Let's get it over with!(sarcasm)

58 posted on 01/17/2006 8:13:45 AM PST by airborne (If being a Christian was a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: NYer

Even if you can prove that Global Warming is man-induced [you can't] the solution is not a static one [energy credits]. Research & development is the only solution.


59 posted on 01/17/2006 8:14:09 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: NYer
"Before this century is over, billions of us will die"

Well, unless they come up with a way to make us all immortal - this is a very true statement.

60 posted on 01/17/2006 8:14:29 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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