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New evidence renews conspiracy debate [OKC bombing update]
The Kansas City Star ^ | Jan. 15, 2006 | By JUDY L. THOMAS

Posted on 01/15/2006 6:07:14 AM PST by johnny7

Kenneth Trentadue was no angel. In the 1980s, he did time for robbing banks. But in a strange twist, the circumstances behind his violent death 10 years ago in prison are playing out in federal court in a case that hints at a wider conspiracy in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Recently released documents unearthed because of a lawsuit against the FBI suggest that the long-standing allegations may not be so far-fetched. The lawsuit, brought by Trentadue’s brother, Jesse, has convinced a federal judge in Salt Lake City to order the FBI to produce hundreds of sealed documents in recent months, and even members of Congress are backing him in his fight for additional information.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fbicrimes; okcbombing; saddamhussein
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To: Jazzman1

During the 9/11 Commission Lehman asked Louis Freeh if the was any truth to the "Third Terrorist" information. His eyes kind of shifted and he replied "I've never heard of it". Lehman never asked a follow up question. It smells.


21 posted on 01/15/2006 6:45:09 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: johnny7

Jose Padilla is on record as speaking spanish, english and arabic.

He's my candidate for John Doe # 2.


22 posted on 01/15/2006 6:45:10 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Nobody will be asked.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

I agree. He's a dead ringer. Obviously the Feds believe that there is something "special" about Padilla too. One day we'll find out what the deal is with him.


23 posted on 01/15/2006 6:50:32 AM PST by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
JD2's name is Mark Brecia --I may have misspelled that a little. The FBI has known about him for quite some time.

But it is true that one of the fastest-growing ethnicities into which Islam is making inroads is among Hispanics. They are recruited in US prisons, but more and more in Mexico.

24 posted on 01/15/2006 6:52:14 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Jazzman1

Say, when was the Gorelick memo written, anyway? Was that before or after the OKC Bombing? That would have prevented this info getting from agency to agency...


25 posted on 01/15/2006 6:53:04 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: R. Scott

Yeah... I once cut my throat and beat the sh_t out of myself... only to chicken-out when it came to the hanging part. I also know a lot of goombah's who committed suicide with two-in-the-cap.


26 posted on 01/15/2006 6:53:05 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: mtbopfuyn
4) It's hogwash to say he looks anything like John Doe #2.

There are still some 27 surveillance videos from the areas near the Murrah Building the morning of the bombing. Those videos are locked way by the FBI. Isn't it curious that none of them have been broadcast.
27 posted on 01/15/2006 7:07:05 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Strategerist

It may be because a lot of us have read The Third Terrorist and agree with James Woolsey, former CIA Director, that when the truth is known about OKC, the world will owe a debt of gratitude to the author, Jayna Davis.

And so, when we read contrary theories about who was REALLY behind the bombing, we don't belive them. Because Davis's work was so compelling.


28 posted on 01/15/2006 7:22:20 AM PST by Peach
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To: gaijin

I don't find anything on that name or close to it in spelling.

I'm not one of those crybabies who wants you to do my research for me, but how about another hint?


29 posted on 01/15/2006 7:27:49 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Nobody will be asked.)
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To: gaijin

Never mind, got him. Will read.


30 posted on 01/15/2006 7:30:42 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Nobody will be asked.)
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To: TomGuy
Most interesting as are many other occurrences like how did he have his car there as he drove the truck. And that undirected open air blast shearing concrete support towers really puzzles me. Wonder if it could be duplicated.

mc
31 posted on 01/15/2006 7:31:36 AM PST by mcshot (Rusty but trusty or vice versa.)
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To: Strategerist

Nazis and Muslim Jihadis have a long history of cooperation.


32 posted on 01/15/2006 7:36:03 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Nobody will be asked.)
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To: gaijin
Terry Nichols was married to a muslim Phillipina

If this guy was a white supremacist, he wasn't very good at it.

33 posted on 01/15/2006 7:49:29 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: johnny7
I admit to not having read Davis' book,
I'm now working on Woods' Politically Incorrect History...so far not impressed.
I'll get to the Third Terrorist.

However, I've followed in FR and retain total belief in a cover up of some sort, for three reasons:

1) The JFK killing, the Hoover Commission & everything subsequent to them.
2) Inherent cynicism, in part due to number 1..
3) If the FBI could make a case against ANY white supremacist group - without admitting that 66% of the members were FBI themselves - Clinton would have been all over the media telling how he'd single handedly discovered the heart and soul of the vast right wing conspiracy.

34 posted on 01/15/2006 7:50:15 AM PST by norton
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To: johnny7

Reminds me of the biker in Florida who committed suicide by shooting himself six times in the back while in custody. Dedicated people.


35 posted on 01/15/2006 8:15:25 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: johnny7
More dis-information...Doesn't matter because we KNOW who really did it.

Now let's get back to 'Able Danger'. OR Flight 800.

36 posted on 01/15/2006 8:19:40 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Strategerist
What would be the compelling reason for the Clinton led agencies to suppress information on a wider conspiracy involving neo-nazis and white supremacists?
37 posted on 01/15/2006 8:22:21 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: Strategerist
I'm open to any of this. However, there is good evidence that a) neither McVeigh nor Nichols had any real bomb-making skills, and certainly not of the type that would have enabled them to make the ANFO bomb at OKC; and 2) the connections between Nichols and one of the Muslim bombers in the first WTC bombing in the Philippines, while not proven, have not been conclusively disproven either.

When you add to that that the police sketch of John Doe #3 is a damn near PERFECT match to Jose Padilla, you really do have to start looking at Muslims/Arab terrorists and not a bunch of Klannish bank robbers. (And, there is no evidence, AT ALL that these bank robbers practiced "terroristm" as in blowing up buildings.)

38 posted on 01/15/2006 8:34:00 AM PST by LS
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To: keithtoo

Nichols, not McVeigh, placed the calls to the Philippines, and was IN the Phillippines, in the SAME CITY, as, (could be wrong on the specific terrorist) I think, Ramsi Yousef in previous months. There is circumstantial evidence that, in fact, Nichols and (again, I think it's Yousef) could ahve met.


39 posted on 01/15/2006 8:35:30 AM PST by LS
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To: johnny7

This is an argument against the death penalty. Information, possibly valuable, died with McVeigh.


40 posted on 01/15/2006 9:05:20 AM PST by Savage Beast (Why George W. Bush is a Great President in five words or less: 9/11 was never repeated.)
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