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Intelligent Design Proponents Distance Themselves from Creationists [El Tejon litigation]
American Chronicle ^ | 12 January 2006 | Wayne Adkins

Posted on 01/14/2006 5:03:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: shuckmaster
Wouldn't that be a little like mixing butter with grits?

I don't want to be the one to break the news to the gang at the "Discovery" Institute, but ... it's all over! The whole world can read Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al. They gave it their best shot -- which was pathetic -- and it fizzled. Big time. It's a bit late in the day to tell that "philosophy" teacher in El Tejon -- the preacher's wife -- to tone it down.

They've gone over the cliff and they haven't figured it out yet.

21 posted on 01/14/2006 7:01:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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22 posted on 01/14/2006 7:17:41 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis
Couldn't resist this one. LOL
23 posted on 01/14/2006 7:40:00 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important but the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing)
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To: phantomworker; willyd; PatrickHenry
So ID is the new hip generation without substance while creationists are the more well-mannered establishment???

Creation is the downloader, and ID is 'With Stupid'. You and I must do our best to avoid them.

I don't understand your comment.

Personally, I side with dry evolution - probably due to professional training more than any other reason.

The universe is a non-sequitur. Creationists not only deny this, but do little to describe how God came to be. Fine - God, then, is the non-sequitur. The very term implies "mysterious origin". However a non-sequitur does NOT mean "false". It exists truthfully - Platonically, in my opinion.

Mystery itself is the only hard fact. Some 11 dimensions are presently theorized, so that is ample uncertainty for crazy ideas to be correct, even Creation. Just imagine how much we are missing if, for example, we believed that a cylinder were really a circle (viewed from above) or a rectangle (viewed from its side) - all because you could only observe in 2-D, and never the three that we know...

Hope that helps! :-)

25 posted on 01/14/2006 8:25:38 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
If you haven't read this, you should: Refuting Compromise
27 posted on 01/14/2006 8:29:01 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Creationism is different from Intelligent Design

The version of ID being peddled in the US currently, I believe, is creation lite.

It is a result of the 1987 Supreme Court case which blew Creation "Science" out of the water, and which led to the invention of ID. It's all laid out in The Wedge Strategy. These folks slipped and let out their entire strategy; are we now to believe they are not following it? That they were just funnin' us?

28 posted on 01/14/2006 8:50:04 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Creationist wedgie placemarker.
29 posted on 01/14/2006 9:07:11 PM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Seems a bit like non-sequitur reasoning. Where'd you get the 11 dimensions?


30 posted on 01/14/2006 9:17:12 PM PST by phantomworker (Winning is important but the real joy is the experience of being fully engaged in whatever I'm doing)
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To: phantomworker
Yucky source, but here is one description:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/teachers/activities/3012_elegant_00.html

But string theory, for all its elegance, comes with a price. For the theory to be consistent, the universe must have more than three spatial dimensions. In fact, string theory predicts a universe with nine spatial and one time dimension, for a total of 10 dimensions. (The most current version of string theory predicts 11 dimensions.) The nine spatial dimensions consist of the three extended dimensions that we experience in everyday life, plus six theorized tiny, curled-up dimensions that can't be seen with existing technologies. These extra six dimensions occur at every point in the familiar three-dimensional world. The existence of more than three spatial dimensions is such a difficult concept to grasp that even string theorists cannot visualize it. They often use analogies to help picture these abstractions.

31 posted on 01/14/2006 9:23:35 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 01/14/2006 10:13:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Physicist
Been reading Games People Play again, I see...
33 posted on 01/15/2006 6:43:02 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior
Ain't It Awful?
34 posted on 01/15/2006 7:24:25 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; Right Wing Professor; Doctor Stochastic; ...
FLASH TRAFFIC!

Theoretical physics hottie LISA RANDALL is on C-SPAN2 NOW (replay) of an earlier lecture she gave on her book.

She's discussing extra dimensions and other things that will make you hot as you gaze upon her!

35 posted on 01/15/2006 9:41:30 AM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: longshadow

Thanks, bud!


36 posted on 01/15/2006 9:50:02 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: longshadow
Theoretical physics hottie LISA RANDALL is on C-SPAN2 NOW

Ah, she used our pre-arranged, secret signal. Soon, Lisa ...

37 posted on 01/15/2006 10:08:24 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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38 posted on 01/15/2006 10:18:11 AM PST by RightWingAtheist ("Why thank you Mr.Obama, I'm proud to be a Darwinist!")
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To: longshadow

Actually, nothing makes me hotter than Leda Cosmides discussing mate selection strategies :-P'''


39 posted on 01/15/2006 10:21:22 AM PST by RightWingAtheist ("Why thank you Mr.Obama, I'm proud to be a Darwinist!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
because (for the most part) IDers are people who did not begin with the Christian worldview

Er, where the heck do you get this notion??? Just because one of the fellows at the DI is a Mooney?!

40 posted on 01/15/2006 10:23:54 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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