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On the offensive to protect marriages from assault of porn
The Virginian Pilot ^ | 1/14/06 | Jacey Eckhart

Posted on 01/14/2006 12:02:09 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: lwg8tr
I'm always very wary of people who like to emphasize Jesus's meesage of "love, tolerance, forgiveness and honesty" while de-emphasizing the strict morality that He challenged us to follow. Usually, those people are trying to justify their attitude that they should be able to do whatever the heck they want without consequences. Remember when He said that if you do something merely in your heart, it is the same as having done it for real? He was very clear that He didn't like that, and that there would be consequences.

But back to the porn thing, feel free to watch as much as you want. Spend hours with your wife watching other people have sex. That is your business, between you and your wife. But for God's sake don't get on the internet and tell people that it's healthier and happier when porn is in your marriage than without it, because that is complete BS.
221 posted on 01/16/2006 2:44:30 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: JTN
And in related news, as porn has become more mainstream,

I don't know if I'd agree with that.

222 posted on 01/16/2006 3:02:24 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: fr_freak

Amen!!!


223 posted on 01/16/2006 3:04:33 PM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: Physicist
I honestly have no clue what the "Xtian:atheist- citing porn as divorce catalyst" would be. Never thought much about it. Actually, I would expect non-Christians to have less a problem with the idea of one or the other using porn and to therefore have less incidence of porn being a grounds for divorce. I know of one Xtian divorce in our church in which she cited his porn addiction as a ground for leaving. In that case she was apparently just looking for a way out, because he was more than willing to work on his problem. She didn't give him a chance.

As far as porn catalyzing a divorce: I tend to be a hardass about what constitutes legitimate grounds for divorce, WRT Xtian marriages. The wife I noted above had no good grounds. Once you make those vows in front of God and everybody, you have a responsibility to honor that vow for the rest of your life. Adultery (skin-on-skin, no philosophical conundrum like porn) is apparently a legit reason to file, according to Christ, and I would editorially add life-threatening abuse. Outside of those bounds, you have a duty to make it work.

Another poster above brought up a point that occured to me yesterday morning after I posted. The men and women, whether pro or amateur, who produce the porn we're going on about are degrading their sexuality by virtue of the pornographic acts. I do view sex as a gift to one man/one woman, and there is no room for that reality in the porn world. Men and women who produce porn are in need of serious prayer. And if they, by virtue of their actions, are apparently in serious need of a holy powerwash, then what business have I or anyone of faith supporting them in their efforts. Is how the logic goes in my brain.

Why, the faith just gushes out of you!

Since JC didn't do us the honor of listing any possible proxies for adultery, we each have to make our own call. For me that means being less than 100% sure about the porn/adultery thing. I just let his word on this serve as a big warning to "Don't even go there." If I make it through life having been a little or lot less ravenous with my eyes than I otherwise would have, I can't imagine that will hurt me or my marriage any. And I agree about Clinton; he's an adulterous, equivocating pig.

Taking a 30,000 ft view of porn, I do not consider it something that automatically reduces the user to a helpless slave, bound for a ruined marriage. But I consider the potential fruits, if you will, to be nothing but rotten.

224 posted on 01/16/2006 6:50:20 PM PST by TEEHEE
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To: Tribune7
And in related news, as porn has become more mainstream,

I don't know if I'd agree with that.

It seems like it would be fairly obvious that porn has become more mainstream in the last 10 to 15 years due to the popularity of the internet. I don't have any revenue numbers handy, but that seems like a solid guess, at least.

225 posted on 01/17/2006 3:40:15 AM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: bordergal
All she did was use the Internet to set up her affairs. However, you are correct about the number of women involved with porn.
226 posted on 01/17/2006 4:35:43 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: wagglebee
If porn can cause the disintegration of a marriage then, so can any Dick or Jane on the street. A marriage is only as strong as the individuals involved.
227 posted on 01/17/2006 4:39:16 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: JTN
It seems like it would be fairly obvious that porn has become more mainstream in the last 10 to 15 years due to the popularity of the internet.

The point I'm making is that porn was very much mainstream 30 years ago.

As far as the relation between then and now, revenue wouldn't be a good indication - especially considering inflation. A better one would be the degree to which serious people consent to make statements for porn venues (a la Carter's Playboy interview) or the degree to which politicians/businessmen/society types either praise (or publically associate) or condemn pornographers.

My subjective view is that it was cooler then.

228 posted on 01/17/2006 5:32:30 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: lwg8tr
and find watching those beautiful bodies having sex arousing and not be committing adultery.

If you are looking at those bodies as objects and forgetting they have souls, you aren't loving your neighbor.

229 posted on 01/17/2006 5:47:01 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
As far as the relation between then and now, revenue wouldn't be a good indication - especially considering inflation.

Inflation could easily be adjusted for.

A better one would be the degree to which serious people consent to make statements for porn venues (a la Carter's Playboy interview)

I believe Rush gave them an interview a few years ago.

My subjective view is that it was cooler then.

I don't know whether it was more widespread or not, but it was certainly less extreme. To quote the link you posted, "The first appearance of pubic hair in Playboy was in an August 1969 pictorial featuring an actress. The first Playmate followed suit in January 1971. It was a BIG deal at the time." It's certainly not a big deal to see that and much more today.

BTW, you might want to warn people when you send a link containing nudity. I'm not offended myself, but some people will be.

230 posted on 01/17/2006 7:41:35 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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