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To: carl in alaska; PatrickHenry
...Also, there is no possible way for all the information in the "blueprint" for a human being to be contained in the DNA in each human cell...

[snip]

...no way to precisely replicate all that data millions of times every week in cell division.

You can, of course, show that it's impossible? If you can you're guaranteed a Nobel.

You use the "wiring" of the nervous system as an example. Have you ever studied how it actually develops? Are you under the impression that every nerve cell has its own special genes?

PH: Another candidate?

176 posted on 01/14/2006 1:25:10 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Kuiper

Last post should have pinged you too.


178 posted on 01/14/2006 1:27:07 AM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
There's not nearly enough DNA to store all of that information. Please don't get PH involved; he admits he has no education in this subject and he's not an expert in this subject. I have a Biochem degree from UCSD, although that was a long time ago and I'm now a stock market trader. But I still remember the basics of genetics, molectular biology, and biochem. Why do people state their opinions so strongly at this website when they have little education in this field?

Sorry, but I really don't have time to get into a rigorous scientific proof for you. That kind of thing takes a lot of work. Let's just say I know enough to know that you can't store the complete blueprint for a human in the DNA in a cell. If you disagree, fine, then go ahead and tell me how that happens.

185 posted on 01/14/2006 1:50:06 AM PST by carl in alaska (Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt this maneuver.)
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To: Virginia-American
"Are you under the impression that every nerve cell has its own special genes?"

To answer your question, no I'm not under that impression. However, the design of the human brain is extremely complex and a huge amount of data would be required to actually store all of that design information. Remember, in the Theory of Evolution, all design data has to be physically stored inside the organism. You can't assume anything away; you can't wave your hands and say well this happens and then somehow this happens. It's a completely physical, biochemical theory and you have to store all information biochemically.

186 posted on 01/14/2006 1:56:45 AM PST by carl in alaska (Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt this maneuver.)
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To: Virginia-American; carl in alaska; Kuiper; PatrickHenry
[...Also, there is no possible way for all the information in the "blueprint" for a human being to be contained in the DNA in each human cell... [snip] ...no way to precisely replicate all that data millions of times every week in cell division.]

You can, of course, show that it's impossible? If you can you're guaranteed a Nobel.

You use the "wiring" of the nervous system as an example. Have you ever studied how it actually develops? Are you under the impression that every nerve cell has its own special genes?

I've seen that idiotic claim made by other creationists, along with the source they're all parroting from, but I can't recall the source right now. I'll check it out and get back to you.

Suffice to say that, yeah, these guys are clueless -- there isn't a separate "blueprint" of every individual "wiring diagram" of every neuron, nor does there need to be.

Instead, every neuron uses the same "instructions", which is the biochemical equivalent of, "grow dendrites out and connect to any neighbors around you in a certain manner and density. There are some variations between different regions of the brain, of course (triggered by large-scale chemical gradiants which affect the exact development sequence in characteristic ways), but while the whole thing is pretty intricate in its finer details, it's pretty "simple" in concept. If there are more than a few hundred genes specifically involved in the "wiring" of the brain, it'd be real surprising.

Anyone who thinks that every single nerve and neuron and connection has (or needs) its own *separate* DNA "blueprint", is just totally ignorant of basic biology.

But then hey, we *are* talking about the anti-evolutionists here, so...

187 posted on 01/14/2006 2:03:07 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Virginia-American
Another candidate?

So many candidates, so little storage space. But there's always room for one more extraordinary example in THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON CREATIONISM.

195 posted on 01/14/2006 3:28:03 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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