Posted on 01/13/2006 4:35:43 PM PST by FairOpinion
A recent poll shows the born-again "moderate" Republican governor has gained back some popularity, especially in the Bay Area, and is now in a dead heat with Democratic competitors.
"Our survey demonstrates that Schwarzenegger's retreat from the more conservative rhetoric and agenda he brandished during the latter part of 2005 has paid off among middle-of-the road voters," said Melinda Jackson, director of the Survey and Policy Research Institute at San Jose State University.
The governor's job performance rating among voters in a Democrat-leaning state has climbed from 36 percent positive and 53 percent negative in September, to 40 percent positive and 51 percent negative this month.
(Excerpt) Read more at insidebayarea.com ...
You can't have it both ways. On one hand you say that the Dems outnumber us in CA, then you want a Republican to be more conservative, so how is he going to get elected?
By your own statement a Republican can only get elected if he gets some Dem votes, so how is a conservative Republican going to get Dem votes?
The delusional Republican base IS the problem. They keep pushing unelectable nominees. By sheer luck and providence we get Arnold elected, then instead of supporting him, they spend all their time tearing him down and want to see the state go down the tubes, just so they can blame it on Arnold. And they prefer to be permanently ruled by the Dems, just so they can cry and cry on bulletin boards.
Not a proposal and not for everyone. Little chance of it happening in California. Conservative Democrats are as unwelcome in the CADEM as conservative Republicans are in today's CAGOP.
It makes sense from my perspective only because of the unique circumstances that got us here. In the ordinary flow of partisan dealings a fellow like Schwarzenegger, sponsored by an old party nemisis, would have never gotten the nod and we wouldn't be having this exchange and I wouldn't be looking for someone, anyone, as long as their philosophy was conservative.
I ask you again, please provide some proof and logic to support your rants.
The FACT that there are NO Republicans in statewide offices, with the exception of Arnold, PROVES MY point.
"If McClintock challenges Schwarzenegger".... THEN a DEMOCRAT, ANY DEMOCRAT will be a shoo-in, which is what you really want. So stop pretending to be a conservative when all you are trying to do is to "divide and conquer" by splitting the conservatives, to give a clear field to the Democrats.
Yes, I say a republican should stick by his/her values when elected, otherwise why bother to run?
If Arnold wants to be a democrat then he should run as one. He IS a dem, the only reason he ran as republican was so he could run in the recall election. The man is his only problem
If a republican runs for office then they should BE a republican. You are trying to blame the base for not voting, you are full of Sh**. We voted, Arnold is a rino and will probably be re-elected because he is openly embracing a democratic party line now and sucking up to the unions and other dems.
Being elected does our party no good if they person elected holds to democratic values, if you can't see that then you are truly blind.
Keep insulting the base, Poindexter. That's the way to get them back in line like good little lemmings to vote for their liberal RINO betters.
Dig it, FO, you've posted no facts, you insult good Conservatives on this board, and you expect people to swallow your pablum-puking leftist bilge and then whine like a little baby every time your delusional rantings "And 90% of the California voters will NOT vote for McClintock no matter what. So guess who is going to get elected? Certainly NOT McClintock" are exposed for the lies and horsecrap that they are. Why don't you do us all a favor and go back to DU ? Of course, even a kook like you might be too much for even them to handle.
Your wisdom is greatly needed in this thread, dear sir.
McClintock as an example will get 22% of the state wide vote in a two way race with a Democrat and will get a Bustamante elected.
Until we get the conservatives out to vote in mass, nothing will change.
Until the Republican party in our state works on grass roots level to convert people to Republican/conservative, nothing is going to change either until a total financial disaster makes it happen.
Democrats are now entering Republican primaries?
you are trying to do is to "divide and conquer" by splitting the conservatives,
Close but not exactly. I am trying to divide and conquer. But the division is aiming to separate Republicans so they can be more easily identified by conservatives. The conquering is aimed at removing these politcal whores from control of the CAGOP.
As was pointed out earlier in this thread, absolutely ZERO statistics have been published by the Secretary of State to support that contention. The election results would indicate that it is blatantly false. The MOST conservative measures (Prop 73 and 75) did the best. That could not happen if the Conservatives did not show up.
BTW, can you please tell me what, in your opinion, a "conservative third party" is? What issues put them in that category? Spending? Property Rights? Gun Control? Anti-Gay Marriage? Abortion? Please provide some examples.
We do not have an ***electable*** conservative that could make headway in this state toward conservatism. Scary thing is Arnold is the only electable guy there is.
The "only electable guy" there is? You have to be kidding! Not to mention that Arnold isn't conservative at all and is a Republican based only on the letter he chose to put next to his name. He has even abandoned the "moderate" Republican platform on which he ran.
McClintock as an example will get 22% of the state wide vote in a two way race with a Democrat and will get a Bustamante elected.
Can you please provide support for this contention? It is negated by polls during the recall that clearly said McClintock would have beat a Dem in a 2 way race. He also had the highest approval rating of any candidate, from either party.
Until the Republican party in our state works on grass roots level to convert people to Republican/conservative, nothing is going to change either
If the Republican party leadership keeps cramming their socialist cr@p on the voters, they won't have a grass roots left!
On voting day I was calling conservative friends and they mostly didn't know it was the day to go to the polls.
I think a bunch of conservatives stayed home that election and let their cause and the state down.
Arnold should have gotten the message out, should have tried to educate the voters instead of doing sound bites such as "girly men", which were amusing but accomplished little.
He should have met with Bush and endorsed him, he should have taken an active part in the election when Babs was re-elected without a struggle and her opponent went down with very little notice. Arnold failed on that account and many others. I will never vote for him, but will not vote for dems either. I would hope he doesn't run again but he will.
We won't win any dems over to our side by whimping out and embracing dem politics.
That hardly responds to my post, nor supports your prior contentions.
If you believe there is no conservative voting block in California that can win an election, guess by your logic we have to find a person left of Arnold to run next time because there are no conservatives to vote for a conservative person, right?
I don't agree to that, I think a lot of conservatives in the state got lazy and didn't bother to vote.
Please don't even try to present my beliefs for me. You are not even close.
Now, can you answer the questions or provide any support for your contentions (e.g. McClintock would only get 22% of the vote). Facts are not on your side.
I don't agree to that, I think ...
Okay, you don't "think" so, but based on what? A "feeling"? Again, the evidence (the votes) don't support that "feeling".
Arnold doesn't need "fireside" chats, he just needs to stay the course of republican values. If he isn't re-elected so what? Is it better that he gets elected as a Dem? What is the difference then? Why don't we all just change to Dem? Arnold needs to honor his base and say to hell with the dems, this is what he stands for and he continues to belevieve in it.
On November 8, I was also in contact with my circle of conservative friends. Those that hadn't already voted were anxious to get to the polls at the first opportunity. All voted, driven by an urge to defeat liberalism, be it Schwarzenegger's brand or the union's.
So whose anecdotal evidence is correct? We won't know until McPherson makes the partisan voting statistics public.
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