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Making a case for ID and evolution in classrooms (Florida to censor science textbooks)
Sun Sentinal ^ | 12 Jan 06 | Alva James-Johnson

Posted on 01/12/2006 6:22:24 PM PST by gobucks

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Next month, Broward County teachers will choose between two new science textbooks. One book toned down Darwin's impact on biology due to the prodding of Christian conservatives. The other includes a few paragraphs about intelligent design, which argues life is so complex that it must have been fashioned by a higher being.

Critics say they don't want intelligent design in schools because it's based on faith, not science. So publishers of the second book, Biology: The Dynamics of Life, have offered to remove the page containing the passages. And Superintendent Frank Till has said he would cut the page to eliminate the controversy if teachers pick the book.

But does anyone seriously think this flap is going away?

If it does, it will only be after all the theories are put on the table, allowing the fittest to survive, a process that Darwin called natural selection.

Will it be evolution or creation? I don't know. But it looks like creation is already in the lead.

According to the Gallup national poll taken in September, 53 percent of the of the 1,005 people sampled said God created humans in their present form the way the Bible describes it. Twelve percent endorsed the strict evolutionary perspective and 31 percent chose a modified perspective, believing human beings evolved from other species, but God guided the process. Four percent had another opinion or none at all. The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percent.

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It's sort of like the tree-falling-in-the-forest conundrum. If you've proven evolution and most people aren't convinced, is it really proven?

If evolution is allowed in the classroom, creation should be also. Plain and simple: To leave one out is censorship.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: creation; darwin; evolution; god; intelligentdesign
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To: gobucks

Do you believe there is some advantage to Republicans to perpetuate the myth that conservatism is synonymous with ignorance? I understand the political necessity of bringing the ignorant and superstitious lower end of your voter base along for the ride but, it's always the educated and upwardly mobile segment of the voter base that leads the country forward. The future of our country depends as much on the advancement of science and education as it does on conservative economic principles. Thanks for your vote and support but, keep your dogma and myths out of our science classes!


21 posted on 01/12/2006 8:48:57 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Dimensio
Nice try cheeseball
22 posted on 01/12/2006 8:49:32 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: gobucks
Only 12 percent swallow the Darwin creation story hook line and sinker.

Where did you get this percentage? Or did you just make it up, because "percentages" don't have meaning when speaking of nonsensical terms like "Darwin creation story"?
23 posted on 01/12/2006 8:50:01 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ALWAYSWELDING
Nice try cheeseball

What "nice try"? The major proponents (Michael Denton and Michael Behe who acknowledged as much while under oath) of ID acknowledge that common descent has occured.
24 posted on 01/12/2006 8:51:24 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ALWAYSWELDING
ID is true that's why it doesn't change.

You speak like ID is a religion, when we have been told it is science.

There is a good quote in a recent Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), p. 414:

What is intelligent design?

It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.

Bruce Bower


25 posted on 01/12/2006 8:53:29 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dimensio
Nice try is taking a comment you know well to be simple it content and appropriate in context and digging deeper than it was intended to go.

Reading the original thread post would probably be a hint too.

26 posted on 01/12/2006 9:10:10 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: ALWAYSWELDING
Nice try is taking a comment you know well to be simple it content and appropriate in context and digging deeper than it was intended to go.

You referenced ID. Are you now saying that you weren't actually talking about ID?
27 posted on 01/12/2006 9:15:31 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Coyoteman
You speak like ID is a religion, when we have been told it is science.

You gotta be kidding me? Is it not obvious what an ID believes? You speak like evolution is a science when we all know it's a religion.

Here's a good quote in a recent post on the Freep,1-12-06:

What is evolution?

It's the missing link between evolutionist and their faith masquerading as biology.

ALWAYS WELDING

28 posted on 01/12/2006 9:18:50 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: Dimensio

"Nice try is taking a comment you know well to be simple it content and appropriate in context and digging deeper than it was intended to go."

You might have pointed out Dimensio that the above is not a well formed sentence in any language. (that I know of)

But that would make you an elitist. Imagine requiring someone to be a least literate with their native language. How cruel and heartless of you.

BTW if ALWAYSWELDING is as good at English as he is with welding don't hire him to repair your trailer.


29 posted on 01/12/2006 9:27:11 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: ALWAYSWELDING
You speak like evolution is a science when we all know it's a religion.

Repeating this lie doesn't make it true.
30 posted on 01/12/2006 9:32:12 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Oh, good one Dimensio


31 posted on 01/12/2006 9:44:45 PM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: ALWAYSWELDING
comment you know well to be simple it content and appropriate in context and digging

And you're an expert on the religion of evolution? It's kind of obvious you didn't learn much in school!

32 posted on 01/12/2006 10:09:15 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: shuckmaster
Have you ever heard of educated fools. Obviously the people who have gone through college have gone thoroughly through the Darwinistic brainwashing camp. It takes common sense to see that with unfathomably, intricate design there is a designer. Ordinary people may lack higher education but will more often then not have common sense.
33 posted on 01/13/2006 12:04:02 AM PST by Bellflower
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To: Bellflower
It takes common sense to see that with unfathomably, intricate design there is a designer.

No, it really doesn't take any common sense at all to believe fairies are responsible for designing anything too complicated for an uneducated fool to understand.

34 posted on 01/13/2006 12:10:59 AM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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FairiesDidit placemark


35 posted on 01/13/2006 12:13:15 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: shuckmaster

My statement was pure logic, yours was propaganda.


36 posted on 01/13/2006 12:17:11 AM PST by Bellflower
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To: Coyoteman

No, the good idea is leaving out the Godless and evil evolution that almost all sick political systems of the last 150 years were based on,like Communism and Fascism


37 posted on 01/13/2006 3:01:34 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: gobucks
(Florida to censor science textbooks)

Naziism and communism were based on this idea of your neighbor being nothing more than some sort of a meat byproduct of random events; they can censor that sort of thinking all they want for all I care. If they'd done a better job of "censoring" science texts a hundred years ago they might have avoided the two world wars.

38 posted on 01/13/2006 3:54:49 AM PST by darkocean
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Here is that ping I told you I would give you when you demanded a citation. The superiority of the "fittest" rings through the thread.


40 posted on 01/13/2006 4:18:24 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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