Posted on 01/11/2006 8:28:26 PM PST by saalebhosdike
Oh yeah, and of course because I believe God created the world, that puts me right in your idiot book huh? Because it would really hurt my feelings if it did.
Hmm...that's an odd response to a post stating that majority rule would be bad for schools.
But if you'd rather play games than discuss I guess that's your prerogative.
The trump card. Wins all arguments, huh?
Do you guys feel that curriculum should match the latest polls or not? Keeping yall on the point is like pulling teeth.
So 90% of the USA is "dictating?" Also, why should you dictate what gets taught as science? I mean, no one needs approval to teach physics, math, etc.
I think teaching Creationism in school is a great idea -- in philosophy class. Don't forget to include the Indian, Hindo, Shinto, etc. etc. myths too.
ID is mythology. As thr author himself says -- it suggests "I don't know" is a valid FINAL response to scientific inquiry.
ID is Creationism in sheeps' clothing.
Use technology much? You know, like using a computer to post on fora. If so, then it must be from the Devil (or at least not a "True Christian," whatever the heck that is).
Here is my whole complaint in a nutshell: Just because people believe in God and His creation, we are deemed as ignorant and stupid by the secularists.
I am fine with teaching only science in science classes. Science is great, The world would be a much darker place if it weren't for scientific advances. I have taken quite a few science classes and know first hand that there is an agenda being pushed onto every student that takes a science class, and it isn't a creationist agenda. There is no critical thought being taught at all.
after your response to me, you accuse me of being off point? In a nutshell, I am sick to death of the superior and condescending attitude that secularists have concerning Christians. I love science, and the world would be a much darker place without the scientific acvances we have made. Curriculum based on polls? Never. Science being taught as science without bias? Yes.
Not true and not here. It is when someone makes a statement such as "Creationism is a THEORY that should be taught alongside of Evolution" or "Evolution is a Religion" or "All Evos are Athiests" that the fur flies. These statements splash all with the tar of idiocy.
What gets a lot of us (IMHO) is the last one. I am willing to wager 95% of the Freepers posting on the Evo side of things are Christians. And I, for one, will not let someone so intellectually challenged as to mistake myth for science to challenge my relationship with God and Christ.
Oh good, so you're against ID. Good to hear.
If by chance you are for teaching ID in school, you're skipping a logical step. The cold hard facts are that Evolution is objective, unbiased science and ID is a transparent remasking of Creation which, while fine on its own, has nothing to do with science.
So until you can actually make a case that ID is science, I guess you'll continue to be "sick to death" when those of us (including Christians like myself) are forced to keep you from screwing up science education in this country. If that feels like "arrogance" to you (and if you feel the need to make up the fallacious viewpoint that it's all from "secularists") then you're going to continue to be frustrated, I'm sure.
So you profess yourself to be a Christian. Do you believe that the Bible is the unfallible word of God? That all scripture is God breathed? If not, where do you draw the line? What is real and what isn't? Does it simply make you feel good that you are part of a church? Those of us that really know the Truth are sick of trying to keep you from screwing it up. If that feels like arrogance to you, then read your Bible.
Where do you draw the line between what the Bible says, and what you believe? I don't want to seem intellectually challenged or anything, because I am not, but when and at what point do you pick it all apart and say,"That part is right, no that part is wrong, there it's OK again." And then ask yourself if you really believe int he infallibility of God, that the whole Bible is THE word of God. You can't pick parts, that is the slippery sploe and the highway to hell. And I am not judging injustly.
Nope. Where do I draw the line? That's what theology is, right?
I'll say it again. If you're a strict literalist then you and I both agree that there are parts of the Bible that are literal and parts that are to be interpreted/symbolic. We just disagree on which parts.
And if a part turns out to be in conflict with good science, then I readdress my intepretation. I don't rationalize a way to pretend the realities presented to me are not real.
It is a thought provoking article. Thank you for posting it.
Nice try. The "slippery slope" argument, although amusing, carries no weight. Keep in mind the following:
1. Unless you are reading the Bible in its original Arameic, you are reading a translation and thus an interpretation.
2. There are 2 Creation stories. There is a 6 day one and a 7 day one. They have been "blended" in what people read today.
3. EVERYTHING a human being reads is filtered through a lens of interpretation. It is physically impossible not to.
I am not picking and choosing at all. I am seeing the Bible in its entirety as a spiritual guide, not a scientific text. It refers to historic events (the largest being the birth, death and resurrection of Christ), but those events are highlighted to provide a context and framework.
Are you saying Catholics (who IIRC agree with TToE as a matter of doctrine) or Calvinists (who interpret the Bible quite differently than mainstream Protestantism) or Angicans, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. etc. etc ALL OF WHICH interpret the Bible differently are all on the highway to hell?
When God speaks to me through the scriptures, he speaks to my Immortal Soul, not the transitory Mortal Sciences.
I believe the proper term here is "those of us who THINK we really know the Truth."
Does the quote "vanity of vanities, all is vanity" ring a bell?
What do you do with the part that says you shouldn't eat meat from animals with cloven hooves?
Or
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." Leviticus 21:9 NAB
Don't you have better things to do than digging up old threads?
Condescension here by noted.
Thanks. It's hard to get my props.
Too bad the point of my post was missed, tho.
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