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Designing We Shall Go. "God is Dead": Nietsche ("Nietzsche is Dead": God)
Fred on Everything ^ | January 11, 2006 | Fred

Posted on 01/11/2006 8:28:26 PM PST by saalebhosdike

A few thoughts regarding the recent foolishness in the courts of Pennsylvania over Intelligent Design:

A pertinent question is why the curricula of the schools should be the concern of judges, who are little more than the enforcement arm of the academic and journalistic elites, imposing on Kansas what could not be legislated in Washington. I see no evidence that judges deploy intelligence, knowledge, or any other qualification other than boundless belief in their unlimited jurisdiction.

Another question is precisely what is meant by Intelligent Design. The answer is not easily divined by reading newspapers: The press have many virtues, but facility in communication is not among them. Reporters, whose thinking is tightly templated, seem to think that Intelligent Design has something to do with Christianity. I know many who suspect intelligent design, but are not religious. This idea is too difficult for reporters, and too dangerous for Darwinists. If one heresy may be discussed, so may others be, and the cracks in the foundations become evident.

It is interesting to put the matter in historical context. To simplify exuberantly, but not inaccurately for present purposes: People long ago saw the world in (I hate words like this one) non-mechanistic terms. They thought that events occurred because Someone or Something wanted them to occur. They believed in dryads and maenads, sylphs and salamanders, gods and demiurges. It can be debated whether they were foolish, or responding as in a fog to things real but intangible.

They thought more about death in those days, perhaps because they saw more of it, and wondered. Existence was to them more moral than physical, and more often seen as a passage from somewhere to somewhere. Come Christianity if not much earlier, they accepted Good and Evil, upper case, as things that actually existed. In the cosmic order as they understood it, mind, intention, will, and consciousness trumped the material.

Then in roughly the fifteenth century a shift began to a mechanistic view of the world. Next came Newton. There were others before him, but he, though he was himself a Christian, was the towering figure in the rise of mechanism, the view that all things occur ineluctably through mindless antecedent causes. He said (remember, I’m simplifying exuberantly) that the physical world is like a pool table: If you know the starting positions and velocities of the balls, you can calculate all future positions and velocities. No sprites, banshees, or Fates, no volition or consciousness. He invented the mathematics to make it stick, at least for pool tables.

This notion of mechanism spread to other fields. Marx said that history was a mechanical unfolding of economics, Freud that our very personalities were a deterministic result of strange sexual complexes, Darwin (or more correctly his disciples) that we were the offspring of purposeless material couplings, first of molecules and then of organisms. Skinner made us individually the will-less product of psychological conditioning. Sociology did much the same for groups, giving rise to the cult of victimhood: I am not what I am because of decisions I made, but because of social circumstances over which I have no influence. Genetics now seeks to make us the result of tinker-toy chemical mechanism.

No will, free or otherwise. No good or evil, right or wrong. Consciousness being an awkward problem for determinists, they ignore it or brush it aside. Death is harder to ignore, but accepted only as a physical termination. One says, “John is gone,” but does not ask, “Where has John gone?” The world offers no mystery or wonder. All questions come down to no more than a fine tuning of our analysis of Newton’s pool balls. (Again, I am exuberantly….)

These two views, which reduce to the age-old puzzle of free will and determinism, can be endlessly argued, and have been. Mechanism prevails today because, within its realm, it works, and perhaps also because it does not suffer from the internal contradictions of religion. Technology, almost the only advance made by our otherwise unimpressive civilization, produces results, such as iPods and television. It does not answer, and cannot answer, such questions as Where are we? Why? Where are we going? What should we do? So it dismisses them. Mechanists are hostile to religion in part because religion does not dismiss these questions, but harps on them.

The two conflicting schemes attract adherents because mankind always seeks overarching explanations, particularly regarding origin, destiny, and purpose. Some of us are willing to say “I don’t know.” Others, well denominated True Believers, have to think that they do know. The country is replete with them: Feminists, Marxists, Born-Agains, rabid anti-semites, snake handlers, Neo-Darwinists. They care deeply, brook no dissent (a sure sign of True Belief), and have infinite confidence in their rightness (or perhaps don’t and pretend certainty to ward off a disturbing uncertainty).

In re Intelligent Design, the Darwinists have pretty much won. Their victory springs not so much from the strength of their ideas, but from their success in preventing Intelligent Discussion. They control the zeitgeist of the somewhat educated, as for example judges. It is enough.

Evolution is one of the three sacred foundations of political correctness, along with the notions that there can be no racial and sexual difference in mental capacities, and that religion is unprogressive and should be suppressed, Yet these are delicate things all three, and cannot well bear scrutiny. Thus the various determinists grimly avoid examination of their ideas.

The lacunae are nonetheless obvious. All is material? If I were to talk to a Neo-Darwinist, I might proceed as follows. “One day you will die. Where will you then be? Yes, yes, I know. We do not speak of this. Yet death does seem to be a bit of a reality. Do you never wake up at three in the morning and think, ‘Where in the name of—in the name of Logical Positivism, I suppose you would think—are we?’ If not, you are a great fool.

“Let me put the matter differently. Either you believe that there is life after death, or you believe there isn’t, or you aren’t sure—which means that you believe that there may be. If there is, then there exists a realm of which we know nothing, including what if any effects it exerts on this passing world. If there is nothing beyond the grave, why do you care about anything at all? You’ve only got a few more years, and then—nothing.”

Or I might say, “You don’t mind if I boil your young daughter in oil tonight, do you? The world being purely material, the only effect would be to interrupt certain chemical reactions conjointly called ‘metabolism’ and to substitute others. You cannot object to such a small thing. She will not mind: Consciousness not being derivable from physics, she cannot be conscious. Boiling children cannot be Wrong, as the term has no physical meaning, and in any event all my actions follow inexorably from the Big Bang. I am only doing as blind causality instructs me.”

In truth we know very little about existence, neither you nor I nor biochemists nor even federal judges. We defend our paradigms because we crave a sense of understanding this curious place in which we briefly are. We do it by ignoring the inconvenient and by punishing doubt. Thus the furor over Intelligent Design.


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To: betty boop
[ No disrespect intended; but it seems to me, Coyoteman, that neo-Darwinist theory in particular is well overdue for an epistemological "house-cleaning." ]

Is that anything like an prime enema?...

61 posted on 01/13/2006 7:08:24 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Coyoteman
Oh Coyoteman, no rush needed. I'm waiting to hear from you, whenever (or if ever) you have the opportunity to get back.

If you're wondering why that might be the case, well I just happen to respect the way you think.

Thanks for asking questions and sharing your thoughts with me.

62 posted on 01/13/2006 8:45:38 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: hosepipe
Is that anything like an prime enema?...

Actually hosepipe, it may be very, very like. :^) And so one hesitates to elaborate a description.... :^)

Thanks so much for the chuckle!

63 posted on 01/13/2006 8:51:21 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: betty boop
Well, having thought it over, I'd answer that question by saying: Probably the same way the scientific method seemingly always deals with such problems: Either hold them tacitly, as unexamined initial premises; or outright deny they exist. Then these same folks will turn around, and describe to you their formal cause: random mutation + natural selection.

Excellent, excellent, excellent analysis! Thank you so much!
64 posted on 01/13/2006 9:41:16 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
[ Then these same folks will turn around, and describe to you their formal cause: random mutation + natural selection. ]

LoL.... has a ring to it dunt it..

65 posted on 01/13/2006 11:15:49 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Yes indeed - an explanation by default. Thanks for your post!


66 posted on 01/14/2006 8:45:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: vik; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; Coyoteman; PatrickHenry; xzins
Humans tend to be very comfortable thinking in terms of agents with goals.

Yes indeed, Vic, because that is what human beings are -- agents with goals -- and they've always been that way. At a time when humans have been thoroughly devalued, it seems we can no longer appreciate this indisputable fact.

As to what I intend by the word random, I simply think of it as the condition of a given system in which the system's parts are not correlated. Correlation is something specifiable by a blueprint, but a blueprint is not a "natural" object. Darwinist random mutation + natural selection is not a "blueprint," because it specifies no purpose. (Formal and final causes seem to be intimately related one to the other.) Darwinist evolution theory is literally mindless. Perhaps that is its great attraction for many people today.

But I'm just a dinosaur who does not hold to this view of a mindless, purposeless universe; or that the development of its critical components (preeminently including man, an intelligent being) could possibly be the product of a purely "random walk."

For how could a universe that contains intelligent beings have less than an intelligent cause? Which is why I aver that Darwinist theory is not "wrong" necessarily, but simply incomplete. It explains much; but not everything. FWIW

Thanks so much for your reply, Vic.

69 posted on 01/14/2006 12:25:58 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: betty boop; hosepipe; vik
Thank you so much for yet another excellent post!

If you are a dinosaur then so am I.

Truly, if all those who are so quick to declare a thing random or purposeless would lay aside their bias for just one instant they would realize they cannot make any such declaration about a system when they do not yet know what the system "is".

But that is what happens when science sweeps half of the Aristotlean causes off the table in the interest of "methodological naturalism". The danger, of course, is if they also believe what remains is reality.

70 posted on 01/14/2006 12:50:04 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: vik; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe
...we have been dethroned time and time again.

Wait just a minute, vic: When were we ever enthroned, such that now we are "dethroned?" What was that state of being, whose apparent loss (seemingly) you so bitterly complain about?

It appears that John Derbyshire does complain about it. I read him regularly in The National Review. He usually treats of scientific topics there. I thought his recent piece on intelligent design completely missed the point of the issues ID raises. Which have nothing to do with a "search for the designer," or a "proof of the existence of God." Either pursuit would be frivolous and unfruitful I'm sure, and certainly not a proper object for science.

Mr. Derbyshire is entitled to his own views, just as all the rest of us. But what he is not entitled to -- nor any of the rest of us -- is his own facts.

In my judgment FWIW, ID has been presented (and is being presented) to the public in terms of a completely confused and inchoate description. But then it is true that, on the Progressive Left, it has always been understood that whoever gets control of the language, gets control of the debate.

Thanks so much for writing, vic!

73 posted on 01/14/2006 3:12:36 PM PST by betty boop (Dominus illuminatio mea.)
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To: betty boop

Thank you so much for your excellent essay-post! I agree with you on all of it.


74 posted on 01/14/2006 10:12:09 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
[ But then it is true that, on the Progressive Left, it has always been understood that whoever gets control of the language, gets control of the debate. ]

True, evidenced by the word "progressive" being used for regressive ideas and solutions being used.. With, Diaelectic materialists, words are part of the material they "morph"..

75 posted on 01/15/2006 9:19:17 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: yldstrk
You know what? I am a Christian, and a conservative. Most scientists are too. But I want science taught in a science class. Intelligent design isn't science. Don't teach it in a science class.

When I was taught man evolved from an ape like creature in class, I realized the religion of most scientist is not compatible with being a true Christian.

76 posted on 01/15/2006 9:28:59 AM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: darkocean
Evolution DEFINITELY is not science

Credentials?

Funny that no actual scientists ever say that. Ones with real science degress from actual accredited colleges that is.

77 posted on 03/13/2006 1:38:34 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: vpintheak
we are cowtowing to the tirrany of the minority. We are letting evolutionists and God haters of all stripes dictate their version of the beginning of the world to us.

God help us when we allow the majority rule to dictate what's in school. Curriculums would consist of Introduction to Eating at McDonalds, Advanced Britney Spears Appreciation and Creationism 101.

78 posted on 03/13/2006 1:40:52 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: sausageseller
When I was taught man evolved from an ape like creature in class, I realized the religion of most scientist is not compatible with being a true Christian.

i.e. your version of "true Christian" is not compatible with science.

79 posted on 03/13/2006 1:42:20 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: Bingo Jerry

Yeah, it sure would. Whatever.


80 posted on 03/13/2006 5:24:02 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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