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1 posted on 01/11/2006 1:33:49 PM PST by blam
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GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/11/2006 1:34:54 PM PST by blam
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Megadrought: the new Hollywood disaster move coming to a theater near you.


6 posted on 01/11/2006 1:41:38 PM PST by MinstrelBoy (Welfare shouldn't be a career choice.)
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Global Warming!


8 posted on 01/11/2006 1:42:15 PM PST by pabianice
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How is this Bush's fault?


9 posted on 01/11/2006 1:42:26 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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Sounds like a new plague type disease, see McNeil "Plagues and People." The high mortality rate leads me to think that this was a new plague introduced into a virgin population.


11 posted on 01/11/2006 1:46:56 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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"...infections appear to have been aggravated by...the poor living conditions and harsh treatment of the native people under the encomienda system of New Spain. The Mexican natives in the encomienda system were treated as virtual slaves, were poorly fed and clothed, and were greatly overworked as farm and mine laborers. This harsh treatment appears to have left them particularly vulnerable to epidemic disease..."

And yet, mysteriously and conversely to reason, present day "Mexican natives" insist on speaking SPANISH and attempt to impose SPANISH as language onto others.

You'd think, what with the dreadful history with SPAIN, the "Mexican natives" would want to speak Norse, or Japanese, or even ENGLISH...but, noooo.

12 posted on 01/11/2006 1:48:06 PM PST by MillerCreek
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Germ Warfare bump.


13 posted on 01/11/2006 1:48:10 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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I was reading this last night in Discover. The point is the Spanish spread small pox was definitely not behind the epidemics of the mid to late 16th century in Mexico. The symptoms and epidemiology don't match, nor did any contemporaries call the pandemic Small Pox. This is despite the popular PC notion that only European illnesses nearly destroyed the Aztec race.

The article points to the vulnerability of stressed and marginal populations to pandemics (even today) and the complexity of historical epidemiology when considering local as well as exotic illnesses.
14 posted on 01/11/2006 1:48:19 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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bttt


27 posted on 01/11/2006 2:24:36 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Wear Red on Fridays to support the troops!!)
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First U.S. dengue cases found here [Possibly Hemorrhagic, South Texas]

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39 posted on 01/11/2006 5:16:07 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose. ~ Ronald Reagan)
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Thanks Blam. There were a series of population peaks, each one followed by a crash, prior to the 1520s (beginning of the Spanish conquest of the mainland), which isn't dissimilar to the pattern elsewhere in the world. I'd be surprised if it weren't related to climate cycles, but wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't been due to the intermittent and continual rediscovery of the Americas during PreColumbian times.

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40 posted on 01/11/2006 9:27:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this URL -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge)
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Oldies from the hard drive:
Dry Spell Linked to Demise of the Mayan
by Paul Recer
Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:27 PM ET
Konrad A. Hughen, a geochemist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, said sediments from the Cariaco Basin in northern Venezuela clearly record a long dry siege that struck the entire Caribbean starting in about the seventh century and lasting more than 100 years. Within this dry period, said Hughen, there were years of virtually no rainfall. It was in those periods of extra dryness, he said, that the Mayan civilization went through a series of collapses before its final demise... The civilization collapsed and many of the sites were abandoned early in the 800s. They were later reoccupied only to collapse again, with some cities deserted in 860 and others in 910... A severe dry spell in 910, he said, "was the last straw."
Maya Civilization Done In By Brightening Of The Sun
The researchers found the drought episodes occurred during the most intense part of the sun's cycle. Not only that, the researchers found the droughts occurred at times when archeological evidence reflects downturns in the Maya culture, including the 900 A.D. collapse. Such evidence includes abandonment of cities or slowing of building and carving activity. Archaeologists know the Maya were capable of precisely measuring the movements of the sun, moon and planets, including Venus. Hodell said he is unaware, however, of any evidence the Maya knew about the bicentenary cycle that ultimately may have played a role in their downfall.
Drought caused by solar cycle may have doomed the Mayans
by Lee Bowman
A cyclical brightening of the sun appears to have triggered a severe 150-year drought that brought down the civilization of some of the ancient world's most accomplished astronomers, the Mayans, according to a study published today.

Writing in the journal Science, researchers at the University of Florida and the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory in California report that evidence from lake sediments indicates the Yucatan Peninsula, center of the Mayan empire, undergoes a drought every 208 years.

This interval is almost identical to a known 206-year cycle in the sun's intensity, said David Hodell, professor of geology at the university and lead author of the study.

"Looking at this series of sediment cores, it looks like changes in the sun's energy output are having a direct effect on the climate of the Yucatan and causing the recurrence of drought, which is in turn influencing the Maya evolution," Hodell said.

Hodell and colleagues had suggested in a 1995 study that the ninth-century collapse of the classic Mayan civilization came in the midst of a period that was the driest in more than 1,000 years.

They based the conclusion on analysis of a sediment core from Lake Chichancanab, on the north-central Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico. Sediments deposited layer by layer give scientists a time line of changes in climate, vegetation and land use.

In a return trip to the lake last year, the researchers collected a new series of core samples and noted layers of gypsum concentrated at certain levels in the cores. The lake's water is nearly saturated with the mineral, but during dry periods more water evaporates and the gypsum builds up at the bottom of the lake, giving a marker for ancient droughts.

Although they vary in depth, and thus the intensity of the drought they represent, the deposits occur almost exactly every 208 years. The researchers found that this cycle closely matched a previously documented solar cycle that's tracked by measuring certain radioactive substances in the soil. These tend to peak during the most intense part of a 206-year cycle of solar activity.

During those periods, the energy received by Earth from the sun increases by less than one-tenth of 1 percent, Hodell noted. But the additional energy could have been enough to change any of several circulation patterns that affect tropical weather generally and rainfall over the Yucatan specifically, the researchers said.

Climate scientists remain uncertain how much effect the long-term solar cycles have on global temperatures. Most doubt the sun has more than a minor influence on the global warming trend that's been going on for several decades, but some contend the influence is still poorly understood and may turn out to be significant.

"The Maya were highly dependent on rainfall and surface reservoirs as their principal water supply," the researchers said, so dry spells lasting decades and even centuries would have had a particularly "detrimental impact on Maya food production and culture."

The scientists found evidence not only for arid events in the ninth century, but also for several other long droughts before and after that period. Archaeological evidence suggests social upheaval resulting from each of the droughts.
Sun key to Mayan misery?
by BBC News Online's Ivan Noble
Friday, 18 May, 2001, 12:09 GMT 13:09 UK
The ancient Mayans may have had good reason for their fascination with the heavens, new research by climate historians suggests.
"It's hard for me to believe that's just a coincidence." -- David Hodell University of Florida
It seems that the Mayan homeland in central America was plagued by droughts which appear to have followed a cycle determined by the Sun.

Researchers at the University of Florida, US, analysed sediments from a lake on the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico and found a pattern of drought repeating every 208 years.

The pattern matches a cycle of brightening and dimming in the Sun.
Sediment sample
"It looks like changes in the Sun's energy output are having a direct effect on the climate of the Yucatan and causing the recurrence of drought, which is in turn influencing the Maya evolution," said David Hodell, lead author of the study.

In 1993, Professor Hodell and his colleagues extracted a sediment sample from Lake Chichancanab in northern Yucatan documenting 9,000 years of climate history.

They found that the driest period of the current era was from AD 800 to 1000, coinciding with the collapse of the classic Mayan civilisation in the 9th Century.

This time they went back to the lake and found data that backed up their findings and pointed to other periods of drought coinciding with other declines in Mayan building activity.

They found evidence for major dry periods between 475 and 250 BC, and AD 125 and 210, which, they believe, coincides with the abandonment of pre-classic Mayan sites in the Mayan Lowlands.
Tree rings
The evidence is by no means conclusive, but, as Professor Hodell explained to the journal Science: "It's hard for me to believe that's just a coincidence.

"I think drought did play an important role, but I'm sure there were other factors, such as increasing population, degradation of the land, and socio-political change, that interacted.

"Civilisation collapse has got to be complex," he said.

Archaeologists specialising in Mayan history have described the climate evidence as compelling, but agree with Professor Hodell that it is not sufficient by itself to explain the Mayan collapse.

But other climate researchers using tree ring dating (dendrochronology) have also found evidence of a bicentennial drought cycle in step with the variation of the Sun.

The research appears in the journal Science.

41 posted on 01/11/2006 9:43:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this URL -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge)
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This was clearly the result of the Europeans refusing to allow the natives to continue human sacrifices. The gods became angry.


46 posted on 01/12/2006 8:31:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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Sounds like bubonic plague, the pneumonic form. Some people think Black Death was actually Ebola virus because it was seen in areas not heavily infested by rats. Some people Ebola is responsible for plagues.


47 posted on 01/12/2006 3:14:33 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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Most interesting.


48 posted on 01/12/2006 3:17:23 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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Self ping.

Looks very interesting!


53 posted on 02/02/2006 12:16:26 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Did someone say "Megadeth??"


55 posted on 02/02/2006 12:35:31 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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So, what's the explanation as to the amoeba and bacteria in Mexico's so-called 'potable water'? These illustrious, "concerned" scientists might want to consider the overall detrimental effects of that...like high-to-extremely rampant cases of Hepatitis A, B, C, typhus, and overall depression of population's immune system due to gruesome health conditions (makes for easy transmission of tuberculosis).

All those doctors, so little change.


58 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:26 PM PST by MillerCreek
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bump for later


69 posted on 04/18/2006 8:21:59 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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bookmark


72 posted on 08/01/2007 4:22:46 PM PDT by Bon mots
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