.357 MAGNUM: This is the powerful Smith &
Wesson like the one carried by accused cop
killer Steven Armento (above) on the night of
the slaying. Cops say a .357 was used as
the murder weapon.
Posted on 01/11/2006 3:52:54 AM PST by Pharmboy
.357 MAGNUM: This is the powerful Smith &
Wesson like the one carried by accused cop
killer Steven Armento (above) on the night of
the slaying. Cops say a .357 was used as
the murder weapon.
January 11, 2006 -- An actor's accused cop-killing cohort brazenly bragged to police that he outgunned the gutsy officer — comparing his powerful .357 Magnum to the cop's measly department-issued Glock, his written statement reveals. Steven Armento, 48, said his firearm sent Officer Daniel Enchautegui flying though the air in the Bronx killing.
"He flew about 10 feet," Armento boasted in a two-page written statement he gave detectives. "That's what it would do to you, a .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .45 calibur [sic]. Not like those 9mm. They don't do nothing. Look what they do."
With that, Armento pointed to his legs to reveal superficial bullet wounds.
Experts say the .357 Magnum is significantly more powerful than a 9mm because the bullets are bigger and leave the gun nearly twice as fast.
Armento also details in his shocking admission what transpired the early morning of Dec. 10, when the off-duty Enchautegui heard glass breaking next door to his Pelham Bay home.
Armento and his alleged accomplice, Lillo Brancato Jr., who was in "The Sopranos" and Robert De Niro's movie "A Bronx Tale," had been boozing it up at the Crazy Horse, a strip club in The Bronx.
Armento told the cops they left early in the morning to get oral sex. But Brancato wanted more than sex. He told Armento he got Viagra, Valium and other pills from a friend's apartment three weeks earlier — and wanted to go back for more to "sell them," Armento's statement says.
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...and I gotta say that they are a BLAST to shoot! They carry like a 1911. Getting a holster is a bit tricky, but Horshoe Leather in the UK (of all places!...go figger) custom hand-bones them (beautiful too!)
The balistics are hot too! Check it out.
http://www.dancoonan.com/coonan_ammo_accuracy_tests.html
uh...that's .357 magnum BTW
"In "Magnum Force", he explained to the vigilante/rookie cops that he used downloaded .44mags with wadcutters because they were more controllable. Probably just above .44 Special loads"
I think he just said it was a "light special". If he meant a lightly loaded 44 special that would be pretty weak. I interpret "light special" to mean a reduced 44 magnum load (probably handloaded) to improve controllability.
So did that 8.
"i've seen load data showing 1800+ and 1900+fps respectively with 125gr jhp."
You are indeed correct about that loading data, however those velocities are so much higher than anything I have ever seen or experienced in reloading 357 mag cartridges that I am still skeptical. Their data for other calibers seems close to what I am familiar with. Only the 357 data seems out of line. For example, the velocities for the 110 grain bullet at 2040 from a 5.6 inch barrel is similar to a 121 gr bullet the from a 7.62X 39 SKS or AK47 rifle (~2100 fps).
"In fact, the 9 mm is a .36 caliber bullet compared to a .357 caliber bullet. "
Why is a .380 also referred to as to as a 9mm short?
yep yep yep. .357 is an amazing cartridge that can seriously move. for a while i was using 16.5gr of 296 with a 158gr gdhp that i chrono'ed at over 1600fps. so i find it very possible that a 110gr can excede 2000fps safely.
No. The recoil momentum from the firing of the weapon is exactly equal and opposite to the projectile momentum, as is the momentum after striking the target. No load/mass combination that doesn't send the shooter back 10 feet can do it to the target, AND don't forget that the bullet loses a little energy in transit overcoming air resistance. Now if the shooter is a 300 lb. giant and the target is a 98 lb weakling, the target could be pushed back somewhat farther than the shooter, but 10 ft., no way.
Yep--I get it now. While I wasn't a star in physics class, I didn't fail. You make complete sense...thanks.
Yep--I get it now. While I wasn't a star in physics class, I didn't fail. You make complete sense...thanks.
I would think not. The M1 Carbine launches a 110gr bullet at 1970 fps, and that's got a 18" barrel and 14.5 gr propellant (about twice the usual handgun load)
Typical muzzle data:
9mm (115gr JHP) 1225 fps 383 fp
.357mag (125gr JSP) 1370 fps 521 fp
but each cartride type has quite a few different bullet combinations and can vary in power quite a bit.
See:
http://winchester.com/products/catalog/handgundetail.aspx?symbol=WC3571&cart=MzU3IE1hZ251bQ==
The energy recieved cannot be more than the energy transmitted. So unless your 12 guage will knock the person firing it down, it won't knock the person the projectile(s) hit.
Period. End of story.
L
I get your point, but in the interest of accuracy, most S&W K and L frame revolvers come in either six or seven shot models.
But I guess .429 magnum just doesn't sound as scary.
I've been reloading for both the .44s for the last 10 years or so and I've never come across a manual that gives a 'light special' load using either .44 spcl or .44 mag brass.
I suppose you could try putting a special charge weight into a magnum case, but the only thing that would do is move the bullet a little closer to the forcing cone. It might also have some unknown pressure effects on the brass.
I personally wouldn't try it. I use .44 spcl brass for .44 spcl loads and magnum brass for magnum loads. Prudent reloaders don't mess around much with published load data. I know I don't. I like my fingers and eyes right where they are.
L
Hit them right, and they'll drop pretty good, though. Particularly since the leftists took over, Hollywood has done a terrible job at portraying firearms. What bugs me more than the people flying around after getting shot are the guys shooting a weapon with a fifteen round clip three or four hundred rounds. I've looked all over for a silencer that will keep a .45 from making my ears ring, but I just can't find one.
I do most of my own reloading so I have plenty of manuals.
"I've been reloading for both the .44s for the last 10 years or so and I've never come across a manual that gives a 'light special' load using either .44 spcl or .44 mag brass."
All manuals list a starting load and a maximum load. Loads significantly less than the maximum are often referred to as "light" by handloaders. Light can also refer to the bullet weight, as in using 180 gr instead of 240's to reduce penetration and recoil.
"I suppose you could try putting a special charge weight into a magnum case, but the only thing that would do is move the bullet a little closer to the forcing cone. It might also have some unknown pressure effects on the brass."
Any loads between the starting and maximum are generally considered safe in a gun in good condition. Changing the powder charge will not put the bullet closer to the forcing cone as the overall length of the cartridge will not change. The exception is a load way beyond maximum. In that case the pressure effects on the brass are predictable, and unfortunate.
Sorry for not being clearer.
L
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