[gogeo]

It's a bogus argument. I'm not impressed.

We also need policemen and soldiers and firemen and roto rooter men. As long as we have enough of them, no one need feel shame that they aren't. Make a case that we need more native born children, and I'll ponder it.

I have an ex-wife who puts the lie to your assertion that parenthood is a selfless activity. Perhaps you meant to say that parenthood doen well is a selfless activity, which is a different argument and does not support yours.

[Antoninus]

I have an ex-wife who puts the lie to your assertion that parenthood is a selfless activity. Perhaps you meant to say that parenthood doen well is a selfless activity, which is a different argument and does not support yours.

What he meant was that parenthood (and marriage, for that matter) is done best when there is the least self-love involved. Individuals who are willing to sacrifice their own desires, needs, interests, hobbies, etc. for the the betterment of their offspring make the best parents.

And I say this as a flawed parent myself.

[frgoff]

I could care less whether your are impressed or not. By the way, the policemen, firemen and roto rooter men of the future will only exist if the people of the present have children. Yet another example of how the wilfully childless demand the future pay for their present.

"You have the children that will become the future policemen to protect me; I have better things to do with my life."