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Home schooling a “Form of Child Abuse” says South Surrey Liberal Candidate (Canada)
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/10/06 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/10/2006 4:17:33 PM PST by wagglebee

SURREY, January 10, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – B.C home schooling parents are dismayed after discovering harsh comments about home schooling made by Jim McMurtry, Liberal party candidate for South Surrey, B.C., in the September/October 2003 edition of Teacher Magazine.

McMurtry wrote that parents who educate their children at home are “condemning their children to an impoverished, friendless, and segregated learning environment.” Home schooling parents, he said, “participate in what can be perceived as a form of child abuse.”

Paul Faris, Director of the Home School Legal Defence Association said, “Jim McMurtry has insulted every home schooling family in Canada,”

Study after study has shown that the academic and socialization outcomes for the average home schooled child are superior to those experienced by the average public school student,” said Deani Van Pelt, author of Home Education in Canada.

Ironically, McMurtry himself has himself hosted in-house classes for high school students. In 1992, the Toronto Star reported that a then-suspended teacher Jim McMurtry was holding impromptu classes for his grade 12 law class at his home in Ajax, Ontario. According to the Star article, McMurtry read passages from Northrop Frye’s “On Education” and portions of his own PhD thesis on censorship to 14 students who sat on the floor and filled every available chair.

The assertion that home schooling has detrimental effects on children, though popular on the political left, is strongly refuted by the available data. In October 2003, the National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI) released a study of 7000 adults who had been educated at home showing that home schooling has significant positive impact on the students’ future success. American universities are changing their admissions policies to include provisions for home schooled applicants, who regularly score significantly higher than publicly schooled confreres.

The NHERI study showed that 74% of home-educated adults ages 18-24 have taken college-level courses, compared to 46% of the general United States. 59% of the subjects reported that they were "very happy" with life, while only 27.6% of the general U.S. population is "very happy" with life. 95% of the home school graduates surveyed said they were glad that they were home schooled.

Given McMurtry’s affiliation with the scandal-plagued Liberal Party, his objections may also come from the results that showed home schooling significantly raises awareness of political realities. A mere 4.2% of the respondents said they consider politics and government too complicated to understand, compared to 35% of U.S. adults.

Given the general liberal antipathy to religious belief, McMurtry’s poor opinion of home schooling could also derive from the 94% of those surveyed who said, “My religious beliefs are basically the same as those of my parents.”


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canadiansocialists; homeschooling; leftists; pcmindcontrol; village
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21 posted on 01/10/2006 5:02:58 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: deaconjim

Ignorant pest. Obviously not homeschooled.
Rose


22 posted on 01/10/2006 5:09:51 PM PST by Rose of Sharn (I get the best answers when I talk to myself!)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
Your assertion betrays your ignorance of parenting, abuse, and schooling.

Whatever you say, Zippy.

Joe works in a warehouse, he knows how to run a forklift and load a truck.
He's the Dad.

Linda works at El Camaron, a restaraunt. She waits tables.
She's the Mom.

Good folks, the both of them.

Little Jimmy needs to be taught algebra, but he's homeschooled.

Which parent shall teach him, Oh sage?

23 posted on 01/10/2006 5:10:00 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Republicus2001

You have got to be s****ing me...


24 posted on 01/10/2006 5:11:46 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: humblegunner

With all due respect, you are F.O.S.


25 posted on 01/10/2006 5:13:14 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: humblegunner

What makes you qualified to call someone ignorant?


26 posted on 01/10/2006 5:13:56 PM PST by Rose of Sharn (I get the best answers when I talk to myself!)
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To: humblegunner

Is that all you have, assertion?

What a load.

Zippy indeed.


27 posted on 01/10/2006 5:16:03 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: humblegunner
The courses offered by many schools include subjects the parents don't know. One of the advantages of homeschooling is that the child -- like my daughter -- learns how to learn. For example, the Calvert School in Baltimore provides everything a student needs to know. Schools like the U. of Indiana also offer tutoring support. My daughter has many homeschooling friends, and they are all friendly, intelligent, and fun-loving. If you knew more about homeschooling, you'd see your arguments are based on a misunderstanding about the parents.
28 posted on 01/10/2006 5:20:46 PM PST by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: Rose of Sharn
What makes you qualified to call someone ignorant?

The belief that the ability to procreate equals the ability to teach is ignorant.

Anybody who can have kids is not automatically qualified to teach.

Are you getting this?

29 posted on 01/10/2006 5:20:52 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
Is that all you have, assertion?

Yes, I assert that a forklift operator isn't qualified to teach algebra.
Refute that all you like, Zippy.

30 posted on 01/10/2006 5:23:36 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner
Most people are unqualified to homeschool.

Incorrect. As a matter of fact, most teachers in the public school system are unqualified to teach. I can say that from personal experience.

Most people are abusing them (kids) by doing so.

Again grossly incorrect. Some of the sick indoctrination I saw in the public elementary schools is abuse.

We homeschooled and public schooled, and unless you deal with the public school people closely you can't realize how demented some of their thinking and teaching is. Some of it is beyond creepy.

31 posted on 01/10/2006 5:32:16 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: humblegunner

None of us get your point.

You haven't posted anything cogent.

What you have done, rather, is simply asserted yourself.

Zippy again. Indeed. What are you, eight?


32 posted on 01/10/2006 5:34:04 PM PST by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: humblegunner
Dear Mr. Gunner,

Test scores for home schooled children say you are wrong. Parents of any profession make better teachers than public school teachers. My science teacher in high school was hired as a typing teacher. He had no degree in science, but I still learned how to blow stuff up in my science class, (which was filled with typewriters).

FRegards,
DocRock
33 posted on 01/10/2006 5:35:26 PM PST by DocRock
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To: darkangel82

What really chaps their ass is that THEY don't get to indoctrinate the home-schooled children. Just another Lieberal idiotic statement.


34 posted on 01/10/2006 5:36:27 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (I want Western Canada to SEPARATE - Western Canadians CANNOT win in a corrupt system)
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To: humblegunner
ONNTSA

What IS "algebra theory"?

We HS'ed #1 son to age 16. He learned algebra. Problems - equations. He's making all A's in his first semester in PS. Including Geometry - which looks like Calculus to me.

Seems to "Socialize" whatever that means, fine. Has an after school job, and making new friends. As well as keeping old friends.

35 posted on 01/10/2006 5:38:14 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: humblegunner
Most people are unqualified to homeschool.

You really believe that, or just trolling?

36 posted on 01/10/2006 5:39:54 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: humblegunner

I know several forklift operators who could easily teach algebra. Could you?


37 posted on 01/10/2006 5:40:09 PM PST by deaconjim
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To: humblegunner
Yes, I assert that a forklift operator isn't qualified to teach algebra.

This may or may not be the case. I know a fellow who parners with his wife running a shop that makes oak table tops. He has three Phds, his wife four. These are degrees in physics and math. Granted, these are unusual people. You can't really make the sort of judgements you are making without knowing a great deal more about the individuals. It is not impossible to image that someone who drives a forklift would know algebra. Knowledge of algebra doesn't make one a CEO, either.

38 posted on 01/10/2006 5:42:09 PM PST by GingisK
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To: humblegunner
Whatever you say, Zippy. Joe works in a warehouse, he knows how to run a forklift and load a truck. He's the Dad. Linda works at El Camaron, a restaraunt. She waits tables. She's the Mom. Good folks, the both of them. Little Jimmy needs to be taught algebra, but he's homeschooled. Which parent shall teach him, Oh sage?

Surely you jest, humblegunner. First of all, you imply by your post that someone who works in a warehouse and someone who is a waitress are less than intelligent, and obviously could not be able to comprehend algebra. Secondly, if neither of the parents is able to comprehend and teach their children algebra, they have a few options. They can hire a tutor, they can ask a friend, family member, or other homeschool parent who does understand algebra to help them out.

I had a friend who didn't feel qualified to teach geometry nor algebra to her son. I stepped in and taught them both. Not only did the son do very well, but the mother learned right along with him.

39 posted on 01/10/2006 5:42:39 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
You haven't posted anything cogent.

As you wish, Zippy.

Let the plumbers teach biology and the sheetrockers lecture on physics.

All parents are qualified to teach, simply by virtue of being able to procreate.

Happy now?

The dump-truck driver's class on political science is up next...
follwed by a fascinating class on health by a pair of crackheads
who manged to reproduce thus allowing them teaching credentials.

40 posted on 01/10/2006 5:43:06 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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