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The Oldest Crime (Legalizied prostitution has nothing to do with Conservative Politics)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | January 9, 2006 | COLETTE DE TROY and MARY MCPHAIL

Posted on 01/10/2006 8:25:43 AM PST by presidio9

The sex industry is big business, and getting bigger. World-wide profits from prostitution exceed $12 billion annually. Of course, the women generally see very little of this money. The sex traders, whether legal "sex entrepreneurs" or illegal pimps, are the biggest beneficiaries.

Many countries have tried different approaches to control or limit its growth, from legalization to regulation, with decidedly mixed results. But with the sex "business" spawning cross-border trafficking in women and children and boosting organized crime across Europe, we can no longer turn a blind eye to this problem.

* * * As prostitution becomes more prevalent, it's also becoming more accepted. During this summer's World Cup, the city of Bremen estimates an influx of 30,000 - 40,000 prostitutes to Germany for the four-week tournament. Taking a lead from the Athens Olympic Games, the authorities in Cologne put up a complex of custom-built cabins outside the city, so men can buy access to women's bodies without tarnishing the host's good reputation.

But where will Germany find those thousands of women? The growing demand for commercial sex in Germany and the rest of the Continent can't be met by women from within the European Union alone. According to a 2003 London Metropolitan University study, 60-90% of prostitutes in the EU are foreigners. Trafficking in women and children is a key element of the sex industry. In its newly released report on forced labor, the International Labor Organization estimates that there are more than 250,000 sex slaves in industrialized countries.

Some "progressive" campaigners have, especially over the past 15 years, argued that the legalization and regulation of prostitution could reduce trafficking and help combat organized crime and money laundering that usually come with it. By making

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
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To: dmz

Tell me something: If I decided to go outside right now and take a dump on the sidewalk, who would the victim be?


21 posted on 01/10/2006 9:14:43 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: agere_contra

Prostitution has been legal in Nevada for a number of years. The dire consequences you foresee don't seem to have materialized.


22 posted on 01/10/2006 9:15:24 AM PST by dmz
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To: presidio9

The unsuspecting and uninvolved person who steps in it.

Next!


23 posted on 01/10/2006 9:16:16 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Bzzzzt. Sorry that is incorrect. Taking a dump on the sidewalk is still a crime even if nobody steps in it.


But thanks for playing. We have a Dixie Carter CD for you as a nice parting gift...


24 posted on 01/10/2006 9:19:27 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

You asked me who the victim was. I answered. Correctly, I might add. You asked nothing about anything else.

I was really hoping for the dvd of "the best little whorehouse in texas", though. Are there gift substitution rules?


25 posted on 01/10/2006 9:22:41 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
Maybe we could legalize prostitution and pot, but write the law so that pot was only legal for prostitute's ?

I'll bet that would keep Libertarians spinning in circles for awhile!...lol
26 posted on 01/10/2006 9:22:54 AM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: dmz
You asked me who the victim was. I answered. Correctly, I might add.

Really? I don't remember mentioning anyone stepping in crap, but it seems appropriate to this thread. It's just what libertarians do to their silly utopian fantasy when they start talking about legalized prostitution.

27 posted on 01/10/2006 9:28:52 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

Funny, all I did was ask you who the victim in a prostitution arrangement was, and you started in with the crap on the sidewalk thing.

Instead of answering, you resort to name calling. So typical.


28 posted on 01/10/2006 9:34:32 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
Instead of answering, you resort to name calling. So typical.

What's typical is your boring "name-calling" accusation. As ususal, it didn't happen. You are confusing my impaience with typical libertarian stupidity with name calling.

This is an observation: "Libertarian dissent is illogical and has no place in a conservative forum."

Name calling goes like this: "You are stupid."

Hope this helps. Do you need me to call the whaaambulance for you?

29 posted on 01/10/2006 9:42:39 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: Cat loving Texan
It shoule be legalized and regulated. Vice squads should be dealing with real crime.

Libertarians are truly disgusting.

The founders knew that our freedoms depended on our remaining true to the Christian faith, because when a society looses its self imposed restraints on its behavior(Christianity or Judaism) that keep its members from preying on each other the the government must step in to restrain the population or chaos ensues and the weak are hurt.

This is just one more step down that road of a society with no self restraint and degradation where the weak (in this case women) are preyed on. A society where a strong government will be demanded by the people so they will feel safe when they walk out the door.....sounds just like what the communist orders.

30 posted on 01/10/2006 9:43:50 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: presidio9

Observation: Nanny staters have no place on a conservative forum.

Name calling can also go like this: Your ideas and opinions are stupid.

But you go ahead, and pretend whatever you need to pretend to get through the day.


31 posted on 01/10/2006 9:57:15 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz

Accepting established conservative political philosophies like prostitution, and euthanasia are correctly illegal is, well, conservative. No nanny staters here.

Calling libertarianism "stupid" is redundant, so I'll try to avoid it. But when you make stupid libertarian points, I can't help mentioning that they are libertarian. If it hurts to be called libertarian, then I guess you're going to have to learn to live with it. It can't be helped that libertarianism employs idiotic reasoning.


32 posted on 01/10/2006 10:05:57 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

I'd love for you to point out anywhere in my posts on this thread in which I have espoused legal prostitution. Asking who the victim is, or pointing out that a posters assumptions were not borne out by the facts about legalized prostitution in Nevada in no way suggests that I am pro-legalized prostitution.

Given that prostitution is not at all discussed in the Constitution of these United States, the conservative opinion should be that it falls to the people or to the states, doncha think?

Some issues really get our blood racing, and it has led you to some interesting, and false, assumptions.

Cheers.


33 posted on 01/10/2006 10:19:55 AM PST by dmz
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To: dmz
I'd love for you to point out anywhere in my posts on this thread in which I have espoused legal prostitution.

I said that prostitution is a crime. You asked who the victim is. Either you were implicitly advocating legalized prostitution, or you are stupid. Which is it?

BTW, just as the Republican party is not the Libertarian Party, it is also not the Constitution Party. The correct Conservative political philosopher understands the aphorism that the Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

34 posted on 01/10/2006 10:29:45 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

You really want to try to paint me into a corner, don't you? Sorry, won't happen. The world I inhabit is in color, with shades of gray, even. The binary world you seem to inhabit with your either/ors appears to be the only fantasy world in this discussion.

I neither advocated legalized prostitution, nor am I stupid. Therefore your calculus is just wrong.

Enjoy.


35 posted on 01/10/2006 10:41:41 AM PST by dmz
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To: presidio9
This is an observation: "Libertarian dissent is illogical and has no place in a conservative forum."

Did you know that Ronald Reagan called libertarianism the "heart and soul of conservatism"?

36 posted on 01/10/2006 10:43:26 AM PST by jmc813 (People who use the term "liberaltarian" are gay)
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To: dmz

For the life of me, I'm trying to HELP you here.

On what planet do you think your post did not advocate legalized prostitution? Here on Earth, libertarians redundantly ask who the (individual) victim was to indicate that no crime was comitted.

This is a very simple either/or proposition, and you have placed yourself in the "or" column.


37 posted on 01/10/2006 10:46:50 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: jmc813

I am sure that you'll be corrected soon. Libertarians are all pot smoking pimps or pot smoking employees of pimps.


38 posted on 01/10/2006 10:47:26 AM PST by dmz
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To: jmc813
Did you know that Ronald Reagan called libertarianism the "heart and soul of conservatism"?

Was that before or after he stepped-up the war on drugs?

Libertarians trying to claim Ronald Reagan is like gay people trying to claim Abraham Lincoln.

39 posted on 01/10/2006 10:48:38 AM PST by presidio9 (Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.)
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To: presidio9

For the life of me, I'm trying to HELP you here.

I don't give a flying rat's a$$ what libertarians redundantly ask. I was asking YOU a question, to see what YOUR opinion was.

See what I mean about assumptions? You are so full of them you cannot get past them.

If I was going to advocate something, I'd come right out and say it. It's an anonymous forum, I really don't need to hide my opinions. LOL.


40 posted on 01/10/2006 10:52:22 AM PST by dmz
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