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Can This Black Box See Into the Future?
Red Orbit ^ | January 10, 2006

Posted on 01/10/2006 2:01:51 AM PST by RWR8189

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To: djf

Jesus is God.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit ring a bell?


41 posted on 01/10/2006 4:15:31 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I don't mind infinity, as long as it slowly creeps up on me...


42 posted on 01/10/2006 4:18:52 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: ovrtaxt

He cried, "My father, why hast thou foresaken me".


43 posted on 01/10/2006 4:27:42 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: KeyWest

Morning KeyWest,
I believe the poster who said Uri Geller was for real, failed to see one telling episode of the Johnny Carson.

Johnny asked sir Uri to bend a spoon. Uri got all admanat and said right now! He would not perform his little trick.

A phony was exposed that night by Johnny, yet some still believe in that talisman with a trick spoon.

Uri is one of Michael "Pedo" Jackson's close friends so what could we expect as to real phenomenon.

If there were no God, I would not be here today. Ask any soldier who has fought and survived in combat whether their is a God or not.

I belong to a certain fraternal organization and the following are banned from ever joining,an (atheist)(madman)or a (fool. We do believe in God's existence,for we sure did not evolve from a tadpole.

You are 100% correct KW, and God has made many statements already.

So Mote It Be,
NSNR-THM





44 posted on 01/10/2006 4:31:17 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: RWR8189

Unless I missed it, the article does not mention anytime the deviated from the expected and nothing happened.

But of course if you have the entire world to pull an event from, is there ever a time that "nothing happens"?

Every so often, my cable connection goes out. Normally it is very reliable, and if I was to plot it on a graph, it would be a straight line, but if I then at as a spike or a curve the times it goes out, would it mean anything?

If I were to then go looking for a major event anywhere in the world, and find something happened somewhere, would I be able to say, my cable service can predict the future?

I am not an expert, but I thought if you had a radom event of just two choices (heads or tails) over time the number of heads and the number of tails should equal. It does not mean they will always be equal at every snap shot of the count, but over time they will equal. The fact that heads comes up 100 times in a row is possible without any outside influence, and at some point in time 100 tails could also occur. Over time the two cancel each other out, and the number of heads that appear and the number of tails remain similar.

These people should go to Las Vegas and talk to people who really know about odds.


45 posted on 01/10/2006 4:42:48 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: snarks_when_bored
Our entire cosmos was once smaller than a proton. That puts everything in the cosmos, then and now, into reasonably close connection, I'd say...

Yep, thought about that many times in my life. No matter what it is and how far away it might currently be, it used to be touching me so close that there was no distinguishing one thing from the other.

46 posted on 01/10/2006 4:48:47 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: djf
God never came back from the dead. If he exists, he never died. And in a way, that means he never lived.

I'm with you there. If it fits my definition of a 'God' it can't be killed by a few Romans.

47 posted on 01/10/2006 4:50:57 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
This is incorrect. These RNGs use real-time continual "white noise" to produce ones and zeros. Psuedo-RNGs use algorithms or pre-generated tables to generate random numbers. I've worked with both.

Interesting: Psuedo-RNGs can be used to measure short-term deviations when the entry point to a Psuedo-RNG table is randomly determined, e.g. by a throw of dice.
48 posted on 01/10/2006 5:02:56 AM PST by PrinceOfCups
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
If it is electronics it is not a Random Event Generator, it is a Pseudo Random Event Generator.

Good point. While the numbers generated are randomly distributed, the sequence in which they appear is fixed by the underlying algorithm. It would be significant if they reran the sequence in the absence of the original 'psychic influences' and it didn't repeat,though.

49 posted on 01/10/2006 5:10:37 AM PST by Grut
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To: PrinceOfCups

The trouble is that patterns don't depend on sequences.


50 posted on 01/10/2006 5:14:57 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: RWR8189
Can This Black Box See Into the Future?

"Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?" In short MASSIVE BS ALERT.

51 posted on 01/10/2006 5:17:06 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: RWR8189
Related story here, Father of LSD nears the century mark.
52 posted on 01/10/2006 5:20:44 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: RWR8189

This does bring up all sorts of interesting questions.

Like suppose the machine could be refined to actually provide some sort of accurate prediction of a future event, maybe 10 minutes before it happens.

If that's sufficient warning to prevent the event, and actions were taken to do so, then the event would never occur. If the event doesn't occur, then how could the machine predict it?

I guess what would be most interesting is if the machine could be "tuned" to various possible future outcomes, perhaps some day being able to positively identify key events as turning points and positively predict the outcomes of various decisions (although observing history can already go a long way towards that, and most people don't even bother).

A more important question, I suppose, is that if this machine could predict the future, but for whatever reasons it was completely impossible to alter the outcome, would anyone really want to know the future then?


53 posted on 01/10/2006 5:22:42 AM PST by babyface00
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To: Prodigal Son

Jesus was not killed by a few Romans. He said I lay down my life and I take it up again. If His mission had not been to die no power on earth could have killed Him.


54 posted on 01/10/2006 5:23:38 AM PST by Mom MD
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

"If it is electronics it is not a Random Event Generator, it is a Pseudo Random Event Generator."

Well, yes and no. If it is a processor running an algorithm then you are correct that it is pseudo. But if it is an electronic device lokking at random processes like white electronic noise or perhaps radioactive decay then it could be truly randomized.


55 posted on 01/10/2006 5:26:41 AM PST by jack308
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To: djf
Can you explain it? ..........Explain what? Coincidences? A perfect random number generator WOULD NOT generate equal heads and tails on any short term basis. It would generate RANDOM numbers of heads and tails which would equal out over time. These supposedly mysterious drifts are completely expected, completely normal, and predictive of nothing.
56 posted on 01/10/2006 5:43:52 AM PST by bobsatwork
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To: jack308; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; Grut
Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

Now this part interests me in light of what you say.

Would your pseudo random event generators running in different parts of the world synchronize to produce “a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm.”

While all of the machines may run the same algorithm would they all deviate from randomness at the same time?

57 posted on 01/10/2006 5:48:44 AM PST by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: RightOnline
Interesting. People may scoff, but I personally know someone who quite regularly, and quite accurately, sees into the future. Not kidding.

And they use these powers for the sake of good, not personal gain, right? That's why they haven't hit the lottery repeatedly.

If it is true, then they need to visit The Amazing Randi's websight. There they can take his challange and win the prize.
58 posted on 01/10/2006 5:56:58 AM PST by newcats (Happy Reversal Of The Planet's Axial Wobble Day!!!!!)
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To: djf

"He cried, "My father, why hast thou foresaken me".

Which fulfilled the prophesy of David in Psalms 22:1


59 posted on 01/10/2006 5:57:37 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: bobsatwork
These supposedly mysterious drifts are completely expected, completely normal, and predictive of nothing....

It's not the deviations from a perfectly flat line that are unexpected; it's the apparent correlation of the drifts with significant world events. Post #45 raises an interesting question: does the black box produce "false positives", that is, does it show substantial deviations when no significant wold events occur? It might -- let's assume -- but then you'd have to look at whether the false positives and "hits" occurred in a random pattern, or whether the appeared to be a correlation between the "hits" and significant events that occurred, and those times when significant events of the same type occurred but yet were not predicted.

60 posted on 01/10/2006 6:04:48 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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