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To: John O
Besides being untrue that statement is remarkably crass.

It was, and I'm sorry you had to see it. But the man's attitude toward women was crass also and I didn't see any of the God-fearing men of high moral character taking him to task for using women for sex and throwing them out. Not even those with daughters. I lost my temper.

Respect isn't a foreign only concept. My husband treats me with respect and I treat him with respect. I respect all my friends. I treat waiters and store clerks and my father with respect. I don't respect those who are rude and don't deserve it, or it means nothing :~D

You intermingle the meaning of respect in marriage with a service aspect that I see as just being nice and giving of yourself because you love someone.

Oh well, John... I know a lot of what has gotten you grief on this forum is semantics. You talk in a way that seems to reduce women to functions they provide for you. Perhaps it is just the coldness of text. You probably aren't my kinda guy, but you're probably an OK guy in your own life. I do hope you find love and companionship for yourself and your daughter.

422 posted on 01/11/2006 10:17:38 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I didn't see any of the God-fearing men of high moral character taking him to task for using women for sex

And for that we are guilty. But it does go to show how feminism has destroyed (devalued?) women in many mens eyes. So at least it serves as a good case of a bad example.

You intermingle the meaning of respect in marriage with a service aspect that I see as just being nice and giving of yourself because you love someone.

That's because they are closely intermingled. In the US we'd be aghast or confused as all get out if our wives bowed down to us or (except for the Amish) if they walked behind us by a few paces. We don't want slaves, we want wives. (besides that, nothing feels quite as nice as having your arm around your wife and talking a walk)

Oh well, John... I know a lot of what has gotten you grief on this forum is semantics.

Except for a few people who seem to have unresolved issues of their own I'd bet that this was the case.

You talk in a way that seems to reduce women to functions they provide for you. Perhaps it is just the coldness of text.

You can't really say what you mean without writing a book covering all the exceptions and angles. So I guess it is just the text limitation. I love women, have great respect for women, desire women, admire women, (sounding kind of like lazamataz here!). Man is not complete without woman and vice versa. So I never intended to objectify anyone. I guess it just comes across that way sometimes.

You probably aren't my kinda guy, but you're probably an OK guy in your own life. I do hope you find love and companionship for yourself and your daughter.

Thanks HOTD. Best to you and yours also.

447 posted on 01/11/2006 11:16:48 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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