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Posted on 01/10/2006 1:49:22 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: najida
Accept my apology also. Of course. Though none was needed.
I have buttons that get pushed also.
I hadn't noticed. :^)
I hope you find what you want in life :)
Thank You
701
posted on
01/12/2006 7:38:53 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: All
A very sweet poster, many months ago, made the comment that one of the purposes of an 'older' woman (ie, gray haired crone) was to pass on her wisdom to the younger generation.
OK, due to Redkin, I have no idea just how greenish I really am ;)....However, I've pondered long and hard and here are a few of the things I've learned on my way---
(PS, lots of this is in metaphor and analogy for you literal minded kinda folks ;) )
Don't throw a brick throw a window to climb out when God has opened a door on the other side of the room.
The greatest thing anyone can do is create and raise a decent, good human being. Those of us who aren't called to this purpose are here for support, encouragement and comic relief.
Never live with the attitude of "My life would be perfect only if....." Right now is your life. It's a gift. And it's perfect as it is. Believe me, you'll look back on all the perfect 'right nows' that went by unnoticed because you were so focused on that perfect future.
Your Mom was right. If you frown to long, your face will freeze in that expression. OK, metaphorically, if you let bitterness and anger rule you for too long, you are devoured by the dragon and it controls you, not the other way around.
Understand that you are put where you are supposed to be. You may dream of living in Hawaii, only to find yourself in Alaska. Sometimes, it will take decades for you to see that you had to nearly freeze to death to truly love the warmth of everywhere else.
Loss in one area creates strengths in others. Some are more damaged than others, but that damage can be made into a strength. A sixth sense, an awareness or a window into a place that other's can't see....so you become the translator between the two worlds......
God wrote in dust, not snow. The perfect were seldom used. It was the broken, damaged, twisted and discarded that he called upon the most.
702
posted on
01/12/2006 7:51:38 AM PST
by
najida
(Armadillos dug 2 dozen holes in my yard last night-- in an attempt to break my ankles this morning.)
To: JasonC
You can become so focused on one purpose for something that you fail to see all the myriad other purposes.
Marriage, regardless of children, is the great stabilizing influence on men. Without it we would sink into anarchy in a short span of time. While it is true that if every marriage produced no children our society would cease to exist it is not true that children are the only reason for marriage.
Face it, we could produce children just through rape or hired surrogates if we so desired. But these things do not stabilize man. Only a family and the desire to provide for his own wife (and perhaps children) lends the stability required for society to exist. This I believe is the real primary purpose for marriage
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The first biblical mention of marriage doesn't say anything about children. We need to be married because we are incomplete without each other.
Looking at marriage as being solely for the production of children greatly cheapens it.
703
posted on
01/12/2006 7:52:22 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: najida
Excellent post :~D
704
posted on
01/12/2006 7:54:05 AM PST
by
HairOfTheDog
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To: najida
705
posted on
01/12/2006 7:55:05 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: najida
ARgh!
Spell check stinks!
Greenish= Grayish
Second Throw= Through
~~sigh~~
706
posted on
01/12/2006 7:57:34 AM PST
by
najida
(Armadillos dug 2 dozen holes in my yard last night-- in an attempt to break my ankles this morning.)
To: najida
I was just thinking the greenish thing might be something personal - I wasn't gonna press it :~D
707
posted on
01/12/2006 8:04:18 AM PST
by
HairOfTheDog
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To: John O
You are making up and projecting nonsense uncharitably. The primary purpose of marriage is children. If it civilizes men - and women - it is because it dedicates both to something more important than themselves. And no, men left alone do not become beasts. Hermit saints are not beasts, monks are not beasts. It is quite completely up to the individual involved. I don't recognize the "we" of your digusting hypothetical. There are people in the modern world, right now, who will do anything and say anything rather than recognize children as the primary purpose of marriage. That's because they hate marriage and are seeking to destroy it. Sliding its normal meaning away from its core to a romantically idealized periphery, is just a preliminary to supplanting that core with a decidedly unromantic and non-ideal periphery. Which is a mere mockery of marriage.
708
posted on
01/12/2006 8:09:35 AM PST
by
JasonC
To: JasonC
You seem to know a great deal about marriage. Have you been married, and how many children have you had? :)
To: John O
To: HairOfTheDog
it's wrong to just use people with no remorse or responsibility. That rules out politics as a career choice for you.
: )
You act like all conservative marriageable women were born on the same day and are all gone, despite the constant births of new daughters every day.
The pickin's are mighty slim. The 1988 models to the present are certainly off limits. And the models prior to 1975 have waaay too many miles on them. With that as a limiting window, it's in my best interest to be open to checking out the foreign makes as well.
; )
It's not all about fists clenched.
This is the first thread of this type in which I've actively participated. But I've read quite a few. And some Freeperettes do attempt to stir the pot and pick fights. Whereas the guys tend to rant and then are forced to take up a defensive posture.
Those seeking a place to rant and bully are the ones who should be deemed out of place here, not those who are actually interested in discussing these issues with other conservatives.
Ranting is an ingrained part of the forum. You've been here long enough to see it occur on most topics, as have I.
Bullying (until the moderator makes a call) is more a matter of opinion. Some may consider the calling in of a gaggle of like minded individuals to gang up on an unpopular idea as bullying. And that happens all the time, not just on this thread.
For some, this may be the only safe place for them to get something off their chest. Cut 'em a little slack.
As an analogy, if you had an agitated animal in your barn, wouldn't it be more prudent to just let the animal relax and calm down, rather than poking it with a bunch of sharp pointy darts?
After all, females are supposed to be a civilizing influence on us Neanderthals. If Conservative women don't play that part, we're all in sorry shape.
711
posted on
01/12/2006 9:19:42 AM PST
by
Freebird Forever
(If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
To: JasonC
You of course have the right to believe whatever you like.
712
posted on
01/12/2006 9:24:57 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: John O
John O what Jason has said is that he doesn't think women over a certain age SHOULD marry, because they can't have children.
Sorry John O the statistics for men over 40 aren't good either.
Oh, and btw, I know at least ten women (not on this board) who got married well into their 40's, several into their fifties and one in her seventies.
You do a good job John O of spouting the truth when it comes to women. I suggest you learn to deal with the truth when it comes to 45 year old men, one being, 25 year old women don't want them.
713
posted on
01/12/2006 9:27:23 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
To: Freebird Forever
We're civilizing best we can, FF.
Maybe you should read the thread. I think there's only one or two guys that actually got poked with pointy darts.
714
posted on
01/12/2006 9:29:07 AM PST
by
HairOfTheDog
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To: Freebird Forever
...and one of them, I have apologized to and made peace with already....
715
posted on
01/12/2006 9:31:26 AM PST
by
HairOfTheDog
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To: JasonC
You know as much about marriage as I know about being a life-long bachelor. Absolutely nothing. You are in essence spewing endlessly about something you have absolutely no first hand experience with.
716
posted on
01/12/2006 9:41:59 AM PST
by
Melas
(What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
To: John O
Some good points, but as a father of a mere four year old, you're missing something: Children don't stay children for long. Most couples will spend a lot more time in their empty nest than they did with children. With two grown, and the youngest two now in those teen and tween years where they need parents less and less, I'm accutely aware of the transition. Even the grandchild that's so prominant in my profile will be grown and out of her parents house before I'm even of retirement age.
So, you are absolutely right, and JasonC is absolutely wrong. You're going to need a whole lot more than a desire to have children to have a sucessful marriage, because children are just one facet of a marriage, and in truth, not even a necessary facet. There have been plenty of good, but infertile marriages.
717
posted on
01/12/2006 9:48:35 AM PST
by
Melas
(What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
To: JasonC
There is nothing insensitive about it. It is pungent enough to get the point across, direct, to the point, and calls a spade a spade. So do you think a woman like Terry Schiavo had a "shelf life"? Do you think a woman who has devoted most of her productive years to husband and child and suddenly finds herself on her own again to have outlived her "shelf life"?
I think you talk because you like to hear your own voice, not because you've given this any real spirit to your thought. Nor do I think you have much life experience to back your assertions up. If you are upset because you do not have a significant other that fits your excessively high standards, I dont wonder why considering this last post. No one wants to spend much time with an 'all or nothing' approach to life. God has belly laughs over people like you. Loud, long belly laughs.
Your strategy for dealing with the feminazis SUCKS, to put it simply, and others on this thread have been trying to tell you that. The negative loop you have created for yourself in your pseudo-philosophical rants has done nothing to solve the problem, and especially has done nothing to gain you allies.
718
posted on
01/12/2006 9:50:07 AM PST
by
Alkhin
(He thinks I need keeping in order - Peregrin Took, FOTR)
To: TAdams8591
Sorry John O the statistics for men over 40 aren't good either. I never said they were.
I suggest you learn to deal with the truth when it comes to 45 year old men, one being, 25 year old women don't want them.
Now that wasn't at all nice TA. (and I thought we were doing so well too) I have stated previously that I know it will be hard to find the right woman. In fat IIRC I said it would be a miracle. But I also trust God to provide. He gave me a miracle in my first wife I don't see why He wouldn't give me another (since He took the first one early).
Further up the thread I seem to remember two posts by guys in their forties who married girls in their twenties (so it does happen) and a discussion dealing with second wives (showing again that it does happen).
BTW 25 is the lower limit. The ideal range I think is 28-32 and the church ladies have already identified several women interested in at least exploring the concept when my time of mourning ends. I have no doubts that God will provide me a mate for the rest of my life.
719
posted on
01/12/2006 9:58:27 AM PST
by
John O
(God Save America (Please))
To: Jim Noble
I think what has been ultimately excised from the national lexicon by the Left is the rest of that phrase "equality UNDER THE LAW" - the concept that all who are citizens of America will recieve the same DUE PROCESS and legal treatment - that a CEO of a major corporation will go through the same legal process as a janitor because IN THE EYES OF THE LAW, they are not separated or segregated into class or groups. I think the fact that this tiny bit of the language was excised by the Left a long time ago because it explains with reason and justification the Original Intent of the Constitution - and the Left seeks to separate and segregate. Divide and conquer. As long as they can keep one group against another, the idea that those differences fall under a concept of legal equality will never gain foothold.
I have never wanted to be considered the same as a man. I just want to know that if my property or person has been harmed or taken away, the criminals who took it away will recieve the justice, and that my life will not be classified as being "less than a man's". It is why rapists and pedophiles should be put away along with the murderers. It recognizes that putting a woman's life under the law in danger is just as detrimental to society as putting a man's life in danger.
720
posted on
01/12/2006 10:02:43 AM PST
by
Alkhin
(He thinks I need keeping in order - Peregrin Took, FOTR)
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