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Raising the volume on what men think about feminism
The Age ^ | Sushi Das

Posted on 01/10/2006 1:49:22 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: John O

Good luck, and FWIW, I'm glad you've opened up your 'admittance' policy a little. I think it shows you to be capable of being at least as open and loving as you expect her to be with your daughter :~D


521 posted on 01/11/2006 1:45:41 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: John O

Apology accepted.

And remember, things that pass their shelf-life are treated with contempt, have no value and are thrown in the trash.


522 posted on 01/11/2006 1:48:10 PM PST by najida (When I'm good, I'm very very good, and when I'm bad, things get broken.)
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To: najida
See post 495 for what I call "pulling out the God card" or, this is what I want and here is God saying I can have it

That was a specific answer to why I believe I am relying on God. It says nothing about anyone else's worth or life. (I actually try to avoid pulling scripture into a lot of these discussions becuase I don't want to be seen as a biblebasher. But sometimes that's the only way to provide the real answer)

523 posted on 01/11/2006 1:49:42 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: TAdams8591
Many of the men were fat, paunchy and bald and looked so bad, I couldn't recognize most them. Not only wouldn't 25 year old women be attracted to them, women their own age wouldn't be attracted to most of them.

I've seen this before. Some men don't take care of themselves at all. I'll admit I'm 27 lbs over weight. But by June I'll be back at the right weight and in better shape than I've been in years. (I'm currently down 13 and losing about 2lbs a week while building muscle mass) In my defense though I hadn't had time to work out as I was taking care of my wife. I figure if I expecther to look good I better look as good as I can also.

524 posted on 01/11/2006 1:52:46 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: HairOfTheDog; GreenOgre
Freebird Forever, here's the thing about the mail order bride phenomenon in a nutshell.

I hadn't planned on exchanging comments with you again on this thread. But since you dragged me back in .....

Bitter loveless men seeking a vagina that can vacuum.

I feel sorry for them.

I didn't get that take at all from GreenOgres' post

If a man wants to have a stable family with a woman who will take care of him and value the family more than the dollar, then looking in a place where he can find such a woman only makes sense.

He clearly separated his attitude toward foreign born women from American.

I simply don't date unless I intend to use a woman for sex. American women, in general, aren't worth the time and effort to build a relationship with. Even spending $50.00 on dinner and drinks on an American woman is a waste of money.

It appears to me that you are twisting the comments of others in order to justify your prejudices.

Rationally attempting to counter GreenOgre's statements regarding American women would be far more appropriate than condemning the institution of seeking a foreign bride.

But when both parties enter the discussion with a chip on their shoulder, there is little room for agreement.

525 posted on 01/11/2006 1:52:51 PM PST by Freebird Forever (If they're truly public servants, why do they live in the mansions?)
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To: JasonC
I've proven it over and over again on here and in real life, and frankly I'm done with the PROVING thing. I've debated women, men, teachers, students, co-workers, family and posters persistently about it since college. If you happen upon my posts and care to read them, they will have to be proof enough.

How about you prove to the rest of us you are NOT a misogynist?

526 posted on 01/11/2006 1:53:11 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: najida
Most of modern American women have succumbed to the feminist ideology I am decrying. I see it all through this thread, above all in the pompous self importance of various posters within it, who think all of it is about them, and pretend anybody cares about their choices or attitudes.

Feminism is above all an ideology of determined selfishness and narcissism, projected onto an identity group, pretending to speak in its name, and pretending to moral virtues merely on the basis of subscription to politically destructive beliefs. And an ideology of screeching, of imposing one's pet problems on others by sheer impudence and volume.

The proper response to that impudence is ten times as much impudence straight back, to that volume is ten times as much volume, and to that selfishness is complete license to go away and live as you please in complete isolation from civilized life. Nobody needs them, nobody wants them, nobody can stand listening to them. That is what they all need to hear, relentlessly, until they shut up and find a topic besides themselves.

527 posted on 01/11/2006 1:53:29 PM PST by JasonC
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To: John O

Well,
I just skim scripture and don't read it anyhow. ;)


528 posted on 01/11/2006 1:53:53 PM PST by najida (When I'm good, I'm very very good, and when I'm bad, things get broken.)
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To: JasonC

Ok,
Tell me about you....
what are you giving that we aren't giving to the world?


529 posted on 01/11/2006 1:55:26 PM PST by najida (When I'm good, I'm very very good, and when I'm bad, things get broken.)
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To: TAdams8591
But I am proudly a misogynist. It is a badge of honor. Modern feminist women are enemies to be proud of as much as Islamicist nutjob terrorists, murdering communists, green ideologues who have killed hundreds of millions with their reckless lies about DDT, and all the rest of the modern bestiary of ideological and identity politics.
530 posted on 01/11/2006 1:56:03 PM PST by JasonC
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To: TAdams8591
And by proving it, I meant by fighting against feminist ideology and its ravages, instead of attacking its opponents. Like supposed anti-communists who spend their lives defending the Rosenbergs, your present activities leave me with some doubt as to your hostility to feminism. Since it would appear you are rather more concerned about my imaginary vices (in their eyes only) than their real ones.
531 posted on 01/11/2006 1:58:45 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC; TAdams8591
Respect is earned, not a right, and follows only real achievements and merit.

Got to disagree here JasonC. When a new president is sworn in do you respect him? You'd better. You respect the office of the presidency. The office deserves it regardless of whose in it.

Likewise a husband deserves respect because he is the husband and the wife deserves respect because she is the wife. Regardless of who those people are and what they've done they deserve some respect just for being.

Of course they may lose the office through their actions and then lose all respect also but hopefully they won't be totally brain dead

532 posted on 01/11/2006 1:58:49 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: najida
Who is this "we" you are talking about?
533 posted on 01/11/2006 1:59:30 PM PST by JasonC
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To: najida
And remember, things that pass their shelf-life are treated with contempt, have no value and are thrown in the trash.

Obviously you've never seen my pantry. Maybe that's why folk wont eat at my house? :^)

534 posted on 01/11/2006 2:00:39 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: JasonC

Those of us on this thread that you're angry with (I just assumed I was part of the group).


535 posted on 01/11/2006 2:02:11 PM PST by najida (When I'm good, I'm very very good, and when I'm bad, things get broken.)
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To: Freebird Forever

His treatment of American women as objects of sex to be thrown away was rude and contradicts ~everything~ the much vaulted conservative family values are supposed to be about. I thought men of high moral character would find that attitude deplorable and fight it. But I rarely see that. Jason the bitter who is now going through this thread is ranting and raging and acting out ~exactly~ the kind of attitude about women he claims to hate about women. But no men here will say 'hey bully - that's not right to talk to her that way!'

If there's some women in this country that aren't desired because of their attitudes, then fine. I might say the same for some men. But to rage and bully women here because some woman somewhere did them wrong is wrong. And it should be called wrong.


536 posted on 01/11/2006 2:02:47 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: najida
And remember, things that pass their shelf-life are treated with contempt, have no value and are thrown in the trash.

Oh BTW. This goes a long way towards explaining why it hurts. I've never looked at it that way. Thanks

537 posted on 01/11/2006 2:03:20 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O
"but I like large families."

As a child and as an adult the luckiest woman I know had eleven children. She lost her husband early on and it was hard on her, but in her eighties she is STILL the luckiet woman I know. And one of the most beautiful as well.

538 posted on 01/11/2006 2:03:51 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: John O

John, that man has run through this thread being rude to every woman on it. Do you honestly think he deserves respect?


539 posted on 01/11/2006 2:04:15 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: JasonC
But I am proudly a misogynist. It is a badge of honor. Modern feminist women are enemies to be proud of

It's well and good to fight the feminists Just be careful of the collateral damage. There are lots of traditional conservative women who are on our side. We've got to protect our own as well as defeat the others.

540 posted on 01/11/2006 2:06:16 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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