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Dam Environmentalists (Why there's no hope for the obvious solution to New Orleans flooding)
The Weekly Standard ^ | January 16, 2006 | John Berlau

Posted on 01/07/2006 2:32:07 PM PST by RWR8189

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1 posted on 01/07/2006 2:32:10 PM PST by RWR8189
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If I remember correctly the big floods on the Mississippi and other rivers in the 80s or 90s brought out the left and the environmentalist who said, as I remember, the government must move these people out of the flood zone and allow NO humans to live in any flood area as it costs too much to help them every time it floods. The people were to blame not the government.

Why have I not heard the same thing about New Orleans? Is it because we have a Republican in the White House and they would rather blame him that the people who built their homes under the water level? The radical environmentalist who are haters of American and capitalism want people to be moved into boxes or out of this world altogether so the animals can evolve and not be hindered by we humans.
2 posted on 01/07/2006 2:39:24 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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The problem is government and insurance company subsidies for those who choose to built in floodplains and along coasts.

If these properties had to bear the true risk management cost of their location, very few would choose to build there.

In FL, where I presently live, what this means is that the 95% who cannot afford to live on the waterfront provide enormous subsidies to the 5% who do.


3 posted on 01/07/2006 2:52:45 PM PST by Restorer
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To: YOUGOTIT
A large number of those Flood Plain people were actually moved..
Entire towns were relocated to higher ground...
Flood Insurance was (and is) denied to those that insisted on remaining on the designated flood plain areas..

I haven't seen or heard anything in the last few years that would indicate whether this "program" actually worked..
I would guess that environmentalists would be touting this as a great success for the natural estuary ecosystem but I have never heard a word about it..

4 posted on 01/07/2006 2:54:31 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: RWR8189

Just Dam.


5 posted on 01/07/2006 2:58:53 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RWR8189

Just before christmas this Montana Architect sent this solution to 22 coastal states governors : a flood road. Picture 20'x20' steel road panels as a roadway, slide-bolted at the transverse edges, buoyancy chambers below, piano-hinged atop a concrete wall on the landward side, deep set/angled dead man anchors on the sea side. Along comes your hurricane storm surge of 20' high water, or tsunami wave or river flood; and the panels float up naturally as a vertical seawall : a series of doors horizontally hinged. No sand bagging or any other human effort required, nature does all the heavy lifting for you. Then when the waters go down the panels float back down into a roadway again, which is 99.99% of its life-usefulness(w/rubber-like surfacing). I thought of this solution 4+ years ago, no interest...now it's 1/7/6 and again it looks like another 4 years of no interest...and people/property being swept away by floods that could have been stopped by FLOOD ROADS...


6 posted on 01/07/2006 3:14:44 PM PST by timer
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Enviros Kill


7 posted on 01/07/2006 3:48:16 PM PST by enviros_kill
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The whacky fish huggers would blow all the dams off the Snake river so the Salmon can swim unimpeded. No matter that 3 million people would have no water or power. No matter that there would be insufficient water to grow the majority of the world's potato supply. No matter that the remaining population would be at the mercy of Spring floods. Fish are far more important to these loonies.
8 posted on 01/07/2006 3:57:15 PM PST by Myrddin
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the left has been deeply ambivalent about the most logical and time-tested mitigator against the threat of city-wide and regional floods: dams.

I'm with the left on this one. There's no need to build dams. If it floods just build somewhere else where it doesn't flood.
9 posted on 01/07/2006 4:06:54 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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>>>He concludes by inveighing against dams as "relics of the twentieth century, like Stalinism and gasoline-powered cars, symbols of the allure of technology and its transience . . . of the delusion that humans are exempt from nature's dominion." <<<

You gotta love modern leftist writing - it isn't necessary for their assumptions to hang together, even in the same sentence!

1) Stalinism may have been a relic of the twentieth century, but the last time I checked, gasoline powered cars were immensely more popular than the battery powered versions....even here in "green" Seattle.

2) "the delusion that humans are exempt from natures dominion". But, but....how then was Bush responsible for Katrina?

10 posted on 01/07/2006 4:37:41 PM PST by HardStarboard
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11 posted on 01/07/2006 5:32:24 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/secondaryproblemsofsocialism.htm)
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To: enviros_kill

They do! Just ask the Africans who have died of malaria as of late.


12 posted on 01/07/2006 5:52:45 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: Restorer

Many of the flooded homes in NO were built long before the government ever became involved in flood insurance. The older levees held, but all of the canal breaks were at points reengineered by the Army Corp within the past decade. Surely we had a right to expect the levees paid for by our tax dollars to be soundly built.

Perhaps there should be a larger premium differential than there is for high risk areas, but shouldn't the same apply to other types of risk (mudslides, tornados, fires, etc.)? And shame on the people who lived without insurance inside the floodplain.

I'm not looking for a handout from FEMA or anyone else to recover my losses. But I do hold the engineers accountable and want a fair shake from my insurance co. for the storm (not flood) damage. Their view is that if you had ANY flood damage they are off the hook and they don't have to honor their coverage - even when you had (as we did) storm damage before the levees broke.

If you think the homeowners of NO haven't borne the risk of loss, you are mistaken.


13 posted on 01/07/2006 8:18:42 PM PST by Mudbug
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For each dam that you blow, you will have millions of tons of sediment containing who knows what exposed and washing downstream, not to mention thousands of acres of formerly submerged land with nothing growing on it to check erosion. The environmental damage caused by tearing down a dam will be much greater than the damage caused when it was built.


14 posted on 01/07/2006 8:46:14 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: RWR8189; FOG724; Carry_Okie; Robert357; Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; ...
"...a dam "burns no fossil fuel and emits no greenhouse gases, smog or toxic or solid wastes.""

And it is the ONLY power source that can put power on the line almost instantly on demand!!!

Too bad they left the tragic stoppage of the 2/3rds complete Auburn Dam on the American River in 1977!!!

Another monument to the stupidity and absurdity of EnvironMentalists!!!

15 posted on 01/07/2006 10:21:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: festus
"I'm with the left on this one."

That's ok. You lie down with those dogs, you're gonna come up with their fleas!!!

16 posted on 01/07/2006 10:26:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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My objection is that it winds up using my tax dollars. Its always a lot cheaper to not build dams and build on high ground.


17 posted on 01/07/2006 11:52:23 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: SierraWasp
stupidity and absurdity of EnvironMentalists

I think I once told you about the DEIS comments I was responding to for a new power plant on the Kona Coast of Hawaii.

They had rolling brown-outs in the area due to lack of power and high load growth of new tourist developments.

I was a consultant work on a new combined cycle combustion turbine project that we could get constructed within 18 months of the permits.

The Sierra Club of Hawaii, objected to solar photovoltaic, they objected to ocean thermal, they objected to ocean wave power, they objected to coal fired plant, they objected to wind turbines, the objected to biomass (bagasse), they objected to geothermal, they objected to nuclear, they objected to diesels, they objected to diesel fueled combined cycle combustion turbines, .......

They said the only viable and acceptable alternative to the 56 MW we were proposing initially, was a conservation program. They then outlined a 20 year conservation program that would shave off about 3 MW of load every year by doing things gradually to various homes and businesses in the area.

The utility would add 56 MW in 18 months, the Sierra Club would add 60 MW after 20 years and only 6 after 2 years. They needed about 20 to 30 MW to stop the brown-outs and the remainder to provide adequate reserves.

It was after seeing that in writing and having to take it seriously and respond in writing that I gave up on the environmentalists as anything but obstructionists and kooks.

18 posted on 01/08/2006 12:04:43 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Mudbug
Their view is that if you had ANY flood damage they are off the hook and they don't have to honor their coverage - even when you had (as we did) storm damage before the levees broke.

Quite correct. IMHO, these attempts to avoid paying claims that are plainly valid constitute insurance fraud, every bit as much as when a policyholder files a fraudulent claim. I wish a few execs would go to jail for it, but it won't happen.

19 posted on 01/08/2006 8:58:43 AM PST by Restorer
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To: RWR8189

Just throw money in the hole that was New Orleans--keep throwing it in until it's filled up. (There are plenty standing in that hole to catch the money. See if you can get them to hold it for you.)


20 posted on 01/08/2006 9:00:28 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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