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Mexican official refuses to rule out trial-in-absence of U.S. Border Patrol agent
Sierra Times ^ | 12/07/2006 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 01/07/2006 8:26:24 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

MEXICO CITY - The Mexican government is satisfied with the United States' promise to conduct a thorough investigation of the events surrounding the shooting death of a Mexican migrant allegedly by a U.S. Border Patrol agent, President Vicente Fox's spokesman said Friday.

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with the Mexican foreign secretary to guarantee that there will be an independent investigation and that they will take the appropriate actions," Ruben Aguilar said. "This seems to us to be an adequate attitude."

On Thursday, Mexican Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said that he and Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal had been assured by Rice and U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that there would be an investigation in order to avoid the perception that U.S. officials were trying to protect the agent in question. The agent has not been identified.

But Derbez also said that Mexico might consider a trial-in-absence of the Border Patrol officer, and he added that he believed last week's shooting death of Guillermo Martinez, 18, was caused by "a negative atmosphere" toward migrants in the United States. The Border Patrol says the shooting occurred after the migrant, who was trying to cross the border illegally, threw a large rock at the agent.

"The truth is that the negative atmosphere has unfortunately generated, has led to, this death," Derbez told reporters in Mexico City.

"We have had to suffer the loss of a human life, a Mexican, for the message to get out about the effects of xenophobia, of making wrong-headed proposals," he said.

Derbez was apparently referring to a proposal recently approved by the U.S. House of Representatives that would tighten immigration enforcement and extend border walls, a bill Derbez has called "stupid."

Asked if Mexico would consider trying the agent in absence, Derbez said "if the Attorney General's Office finds elements to do that, that is simply in line with Mexican government policy, which is not to rule out any potential action that we could use to avoid this going unpunished."

Mexican federal prosecutors have taken the unusual step of opening a homicide investigation into the case, without naming any suspects.

Derbez also suggested that Border Patrol reports that Martinez was an immigrant trafficker with 11 previous detentions in the United States were part of an effort to protect the agent who fired the shot.

In Tijuana, Martinez's brother, Agustin, denied his brother was involved in human trafficking.

"It's not true," Martinez said. "My brother lived with very little money."

Assistant Foreign Relations Secretary Geronimo Gutierrez said that "even if the investigation concludes that there was no (criminal) responsibility on the part of the agent, the (victim's) family still has the right to bring a criminal complaint or civil lawsuit."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; aliensmuggling; borderpatrol; bordershooting; illegalalienproblem; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; leo; mexicancorruption; mexico; rocksvsguns
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Geronimo Gutierrez

Mexico.

A Mexican government official named for an Apache renegade.

An abomination South of our border that is a consistent pain in our backside.

Construct the wall, negate NAFTA, which doesn't help the Mexican peons as goods are manufactured then shipped to Mexico in order that a "Hecho in Mexico" stamp may be affixed before shipment to Walmart, et al.

Our ambassador and his Mexican wife should be recalled (or, if they wish, they may continue to reside in Mexico for the rest of their lives,) and our embassy closed.< p>Whenever the morons who are responsible for our "foreign policy" decide that Mexico, Cuba, Bolivia are enemies of the United States and must always be treated as such we might be on the road to reality.

1 posted on 01/07/2006 8:26:28 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy
"The truth is that the negative atmosphere has unfortunately generated, has led to, this death," Derbez told reporters in Mexico City. "We have had to suffer the loss of a human life, a Mexican, for the message to get out about the effects of xenophobia, of making wrong-headed proposals," he said.

The truth is, breaking the law lead to this death. It is the effect of breaking and entering a country illegally.

2 posted on 01/07/2006 8:29:00 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ("Stay off our corner!")
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To: gubamyster

ping


3 posted on 01/07/2006 8:30:25 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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It is very unfortunate that this young fellow had to die, but he was breaking the law. When you break the law, you run risks. He was the one in the wrong.


4 posted on 01/07/2006 8:32:20 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: FerdieMurphy
The secret is to keep the agent's identity secret. For instance, when the names of our soldiers involved in friendly fire incidents are revealed, this gives the EU moon bats an opportunity to harass them including trials in absentia.

For instance, the LA Times revealed the names of the soldiers involved in the Palestine Hotel incident and the Spaniards are after them for, get this, murder.

The soldier involved in the Sgrena commie journalist incident was revealed by an redaction error on an on line report.

And our spies were revealed, at least some of them, by sloppy trade craft.

It's ashame we need to protect our officers and soldiers from our so called allies, but that's the reality.
5 posted on 01/07/2006 8:32:53 AM PST by Patriot from Philly
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with the Mexican foreign secretary to guarantee that there will be an independent investigation and that they will take the appropriate actions," Ruben Aguilar said. "This seems to us to be an adequate attitude."

An 'adequate attitude'? Who do these people think they are?

6 posted on 01/07/2006 8:35:37 AM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: FerdieMurphy

I try not to buy anything made in the PRC. I guess I'm going to start doing that with Mexico.

I am sick and tired that these peons talk to us in this manner.

If we were a real empire we would take out Cuernavaca just as an example that they should watch their mouths. I find this statement outrageous but I am really sick of these pissants.

Without us that country would just be anoither banana republic.


7 posted on 01/07/2006 8:35:50 AM PST by x1stcav (First Afghanistan! Then Iraq! When Cuba?)
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To: Patriot from Philly

Some damned DemocRAT will leak the name and, unlike Valerie Pflame, the leakage would be serious.


8 posted on 01/07/2006 8:36:45 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. (Don't forget to write, Tookie.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
Our maessage should bel "Bad things can happen when you break the law and try to invade this country, including death."

Mexico sure is doing everything it can, with help from criminals, to try to run this country.

9 posted on 01/07/2006 8:37:10 AM PST by Dante3
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Geronimo Gutierrez...A Mexican government official named for an Apache renegade."

Actually, "Geronimo" was a monicker the Mexicans hung on Go-yat-thlay, the Yawner, and he wasn't technically a renegade because he never made a treaty to renege on until he was practically an old man.

Read his autobiography (as told to...) sometime.


10 posted on 01/07/2006 8:38:33 AM PST by dsc (Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the repressive epidemic it is.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Perhaps someone can help? I know little of this incident .Did the shooting occur in the USA or did it occur in Mexico?Thanks.


11 posted on 01/07/2006 8:39:12 AM PST by Howe_D_Dewty
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To: FerdieMurphy

We're being invaded by Mexico, period. And Mexico thinks this is a swell arrangement. They shuttle the poor and oppressed north (those who might have a bone to pick with Fox and his pals, as in revolution), along with an enormous amount of drugs, and in return they get millions yearly in remittances. What's not to like?


12 posted on 01/07/2006 8:43:07 AM PST by hershey
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To: FerdieMurphy

At least you see what I saw that Tony Garza (AKA Mr A14)is not representing US Citizen's interests, and it takes Condi to assuage them.

I wonder what would happen to a US Citizen/Gringo if they threw rocks at them?

Would there be an investigation? Would the US Congress call for lawsuits against those involved in Mexico?

So much for reciprocity.


13 posted on 01/07/2006 8:49:56 AM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Howe_D_Dewty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1552430/posts

search aliens and you will see it from a week ago or so.
It was at the border with San Diego.


14 posted on 01/07/2006 8:53:01 AM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: FerdieMurphy

".....we have had to suffer the loss of a human life..."

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And what of all those Americans killed by the overflow of scum from Mexico?


15 posted on 01/07/2006 8:54:52 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Darkwolf377

Someone ought to tell this bozo that the guy who was shot was trying to get out of the "negative atmosphere" of Mexico. If his country tries some kind of "in absentia" prosecution of one of our border officials doing his job, I'd consider that an "act of war".


16 posted on 01/07/2006 8:55:10 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: FerdieMurphy
and he added that he believed last week's shooting death of Guillermo Martinez, 18, was caused by "a negative atmosphere" toward migrants in the United States.

Gee, I wonder why he thinks that?

Must be from reading too many comic books about the Mexican super-hero, "Illegal Immigrantman".
17 posted on 01/07/2006 9:00:08 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

"The truth is, breaking the law lead to this death. It is the effect of breaking and entering a country illegally."

Yep. And throwing a "large" rock at a person is assault with a deadly weapon.


18 posted on 01/07/2006 9:13:27 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: FerdieMurphy
Whenever the morons who are responsible for our "foreign policy" decide that Mexico, Cuba, Bolivia are enemies of the United States and must always be treated as such we might be on the road to reality.

What should really scare the crap out of Americans is that this disgusting reality somehow fits well into the agenda of those who are responsible for it continuing. The only logical explanation I can imagine is that these "morons" are either cowards or worse, amoral political profiteers who would sell out America. None of these "morons" should be in charge of anything.

19 posted on 01/07/2006 9:36:31 AM PST by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I don't care if they shoot every single one of them who tries to cross, rocks or not.

I guarantee if we start sending them to meet their maker, the rest of them will get the hint.

Keep illegals out!!!!!!!!!

20 posted on 01/07/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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