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Many Straight Guys Say 'No Thanks' to 'Brokeback Mountain'
Newhouse News ^ | 1/5/2005 | Dru Sefton

Posted on 01/05/2006 4:21:21 PM PST by Incorrigible

Many Straight Guys Say 'No Thanks' to 'Brokeback Mountain'

BY DRU SEFTON

It's true, the movie "Brokeback Mountain" does provoke what one researcher calls "a very strong ick factor" in some straight men.

What is it in this story of two cowboy pals in 1960s Wyoming who find themselves in lifelong love -- yet go on to marry women -- that elicits this response from heterosexual males?

The answers are as complex as the plot.

A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that. A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response. The author of "The Sexual Brain" said there is nothing on a neurobiological basis to explain the aversion.

To film fan Eddie Hargreaves of Stockton, Calif., it's more like the "ick" of romantic drama. "I'm not going to speak for everybody," he said, "but I don't know a lot of straight guys who said, `Oh, man, I can't wait to see "Bridges of Madison County,""' 1995's famous tearjerker.

"Brokeback Mountain," directed by Oscar winner Ang Lee and starring box-office hunks Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, is sparking both critical praise and water cooler chatter. It's been nominated for seven Golden Globe awards.

But when movie critic Dave White, who is gay, wrote a humorous piece titled "The Straight Dude's Guide to `Brokeback,"' "I got hundreds of messages, most of whom hated me for just existing," he said.

An excerpt from the column: "The good news -- there's less than one minute of making out. It's about 130 minutes long and 129 of them are about Men Not Having Sex."

We're not talking here about rejections of homosexuality based on moral or religious grounds, though the film has provoked its share of those. It's that some men who pointedly won't see "Brokeback" are social liberals who generally find no fault with people being gay.

"I didn't write the piece with the homophobe in mind," said White, a Movie.com reviewer in Los Angeles who wrote the column for MSNBC.com. "I wrote it for the liberal guy who just can't see this movie, because they know that reads as socially uncool."

White's theory on straight-male queasiness centers on self-identification. "These characters are too close to being regular guys," he said. "That's part of the freakout."

Timothy Shary also noticed that. He's director of the Screen Studies Program at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., and examines masculinity in movies.

"This is a threat to most men because it opens up the possibility that two men who are friendly may become affectionate," Shary said. "That's something men just do not want to consider."

Countless movies feature characters who marry (or are married to) someone but linger evermore over feelings for another -- think "Casablanca."

"But this is about two men who are attracted to each other and keep that connection. That's especially troubling for some men," Shary said, adding, "but that's what makes this a truly revolutionary film."

George Weinberg said this aversion is "definitely homophobia." He is the New York City psychologist and researcher who invented that term in the 1960s, and broke ground with his 1972 book, "Society and the Healthy Homosexual."

"This is the idea of one man's adoration for another," Weinberg said. "A love affair more deep and lasting and romantic" than with their wives.

His advice for straights uneasy about "Brokeback" is to "first understand you have this problem. At least by acknowledging it, that's a start. It's like saying, `I have a fear of heights."'

Research into a physical source of these feelings is lacking.

"It does seem to be almost culturally universal that heterosexual men can have a deep repulsion to overt homosexuality," said Dean Hamer, scientist and author of "The Science of Desire: The Gay Gene and the Biology of Behavior."

"But there is no study I know of to ascertain whether this is a biologically based trait," Hamer said.

Simon LeVay agreed. He is a lecturer on neuroscience and author of "The Sexual Brain," a biological overview of sexuality.

"From a neurobiological basis, I just don't think this response has been researched at that level," LeVay said, "although it's something that should be."

Movie buff Hargreaves, who is straight and married, still isn't going to see "Brokeback Mountain." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

"To say that straight guys are missing out because they're unjustly turned off by the plot, well, there wasn't anything to turn them on in the first place," Hargreaves said. "At least `The English Patient' had a plane crash."

Jan. 5, 2006

(Dru Sefton can be contacted at dru.sefton@newhouse.com)

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To: Brett66
re-education camps?

Are you not aware of the public school systems. Mark my words, they'll be doing kindergarten field trips to this movie.

41 posted on 01/05/2006 4:33:35 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: Incorrigible
"It does seem to be almost culturally universal that heterosexual men can have a deep repulsion to overt homosexuality," said Dean Hamer, scientist and author of "The Science of Desire: The Gay Gene and the Biology of Behavior."

"But there is no study I know of to ascertain whether this is a biologically based trait," Hamer said.

Words fail.

42 posted on 01/05/2006 4:33:35 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: silverleaf

Actually the Atlanta paper and many others have labeld Brokeback as a major chick flick.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=brokeback+%22chick+flick%22&btnG=Search


43 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:03 PM PST by gondramB (Democracy: two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty: a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Incorrigible
A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that.

Bah. I'm repulsed by pedophiles, too. I guess that makes me "pedophili-phobic" in the eyes of that moron.

44 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:18 PM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: derllak
Why aren't those little tutu-wearing fairies called heterophobes?

Because, as civilized people, we use the proper term, pillow-biters.

45 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:42 PM PST by Richard Kimball (How bout them Longhorns?)
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To: Incorrigible
sparking both critical praise and water cooler chatter.

"Water cooler chatter" implies that people with jobs have seen this film in significant numbers. We know this to be false.

My water coooler has never heard of Brokeback Mountain. Chances are strong yours hasn't, either.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:44 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: GladesGuru

To these scum, "Healthy" means: "In political agreement with everything I say."


47 posted on 01/05/2006 4:34:49 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: Incorrigible

Please do not refer to me as a straight man. I am a man period and most assuredly not a deviate.


48 posted on 01/05/2006 4:35:00 PM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: SampleMan

Exactly! You hit it right on the head!


49 posted on 01/05/2006 4:35:08 PM PST by derllak
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To: Incorrigible
What is it in this story of two cowboy pals in 1960s Wyoming who find themselves in lifelong love -- yet go on to marry women -- that elicits this response from heterosexual males? The answers are as complex as the plot.

The answer is actually quite simple: We don't go for that sh!t. Anyway, this is Brokeback thread #33 and counting, which is 30 more than we need.

51 posted on 01/05/2006 4:36:16 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Dutch Boy
I agree.

My definition of homophobia is the fear of Hollyweird, leftists, liberals, feminists, dummycrats, etc. shoving their pro-gay agenda down my throat and indoctrinating our children.

Yes, I am phobic (afraid) that someday enough stupid people will tolerate these pro-gay ideas and agendas to the point where pro-hetero ideas and opinions will be illegal.

Yeah, I'm homophobic. Not in the sense that I'm unsure of my masculinity, but worried that our future will be compromised by militant homosexuals.

52 posted on 01/05/2006 4:36:20 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: silverleaf
But if they had made this movie about two lesbo cowgirls the theaters would be sold out. Right guys?

Mmmmaybe...

53 posted on 01/05/2006 4:36:32 PM PST by M203M4
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To: Incorrigible

The DimoPervert Borg:
"Resistance is futile!..."You will be Defectisexualized!"


54 posted on 01/05/2006 4:36:50 PM PST by Baby Driver
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To: Incorrigible
A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that. A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response. The author of "The Sexual Brain" said there is nothing on a neurobiological basis to explain the aversion.

Well, I cannot understand why two men would want to engage in anal sex. What is the "neurobiological basis" to explain homosexuality?

"This is a threat to most men because it opens up the possibility that two men who are friendly may become affectionate," Shary said. "That's something men just do not want to consider."

Oh please. Becoming affectionate is one thing, committing sodomy is another.

55 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:05 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Incorrigible
Liberals are smarter than every one else. They think our identity needs to be made over. As a heterosexual man, I'd like to say its not my confidence that is in doubt. Its theirs and its the Left in the throes of an existential crisis. Why else would they fob "Brokeback Mountain" off on the rest of us? That's one reason why I'm not interested in ever watching this dreck of a movie and its not because I'm a homophobe. Its because I believe manhood is an enduring quality that doesn't change because Hollywood says it must change.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

56 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:12 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Incorrigible

In a purely political, not scientific move, twenty or thirty years ago, a handful of psychologists voted to remove homosexuality -- an obviously dysfunctional condition -- from the list of psychological disorders. At the same time, they coined the word "homophobic" to describe the normal revulsion that people feel when people use their sex organs in obviously deviant ways.

A "phobia" is a psychological disorder.

So, by the manipulation of language, deviants became "normal," and normal people who are repulsed by homosexual acts became "sick."

The inmates are truly running the asylum.


57 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:16 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: All

I just wish I had the same "ick" factor to everything else in this world that God also finds repulsive. Folks would see a whole lot more Jesus and much less of me.


58 posted on 01/05/2006 4:37:16 PM PST by FNG
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To: silverleaf
But if they had made this movie about two lesbo cowgirls the theaters would be sold out. Right guys?

I haven't been to a theater in ten years, but I might have to drag myself to one for that.

59 posted on 01/05/2006 4:38:03 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: derllak

Homoennui. Enough is enough already.


60 posted on 01/05/2006 4:38:19 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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