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Many Straight Guys Say 'No Thanks' to 'Brokeback Mountain'
Newhouse News ^ | 1/5/2005 | Dru Sefton

Posted on 01/05/2006 4:21:21 PM PST by Incorrigible

Many Straight Guys Say 'No Thanks' to 'Brokeback Mountain'

BY DRU SEFTON

It's true, the movie "Brokeback Mountain" does provoke what one researcher calls "a very strong ick factor" in some straight men.

What is it in this story of two cowboy pals in 1960s Wyoming who find themselves in lifelong love -- yet go on to marry women -- that elicits this response from heterosexual males?

The answers are as complex as the plot.

A psychologist who coined the word "homophobic" said the revulsion is precisely that. A scientist who discovered genetic links to sexuality said he simply does not understand the response. The author of "The Sexual Brain" said there is nothing on a neurobiological basis to explain the aversion.

To film fan Eddie Hargreaves of Stockton, Calif., it's more like the "ick" of romantic drama. "I'm not going to speak for everybody," he said, "but I don't know a lot of straight guys who said, `Oh, man, I can't wait to see "Bridges of Madison County,""' 1995's famous tearjerker.

"Brokeback Mountain," directed by Oscar winner Ang Lee and starring box-office hunks Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, is sparking both critical praise and water cooler chatter. It's been nominated for seven Golden Globe awards.

But when movie critic Dave White, who is gay, wrote a humorous piece titled "The Straight Dude's Guide to `Brokeback,"' "I got hundreds of messages, most of whom hated me for just existing," he said.

An excerpt from the column: "The good news -- there's less than one minute of making out. It's about 130 minutes long and 129 of them are about Men Not Having Sex."

We're not talking here about rejections of homosexuality based on moral or religious grounds, though the film has provoked its share of those. It's that some men who pointedly won't see "Brokeback" are social liberals who generally find no fault with people being gay.

"I didn't write the piece with the homophobe in mind," said White, a Movie.com reviewer in Los Angeles who wrote the column for MSNBC.com. "I wrote it for the liberal guy who just can't see this movie, because they know that reads as socially uncool."

White's theory on straight-male queasiness centers on self-identification. "These characters are too close to being regular guys," he said. "That's part of the freakout."

Timothy Shary also noticed that. He's director of the Screen Studies Program at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., and examines masculinity in movies.

"This is a threat to most men because it opens up the possibility that two men who are friendly may become affectionate," Shary said. "That's something men just do not want to consider."

Countless movies feature characters who marry (or are married to) someone but linger evermore over feelings for another -- think "Casablanca."

"But this is about two men who are attracted to each other and keep that connection. That's especially troubling for some men," Shary said, adding, "but that's what makes this a truly revolutionary film."

George Weinberg said this aversion is "definitely homophobia." He is the New York City psychologist and researcher who invented that term in the 1960s, and broke ground with his 1972 book, "Society and the Healthy Homosexual."

"This is the idea of one man's adoration for another," Weinberg said. "A love affair more deep and lasting and romantic" than with their wives.

His advice for straights uneasy about "Brokeback" is to "first understand you have this problem. At least by acknowledging it, that's a start. It's like saying, `I have a fear of heights."'

Research into a physical source of these feelings is lacking.

"It does seem to be almost culturally universal that heterosexual men can have a deep repulsion to overt homosexuality," said Dean Hamer, scientist and author of "The Science of Desire: The Gay Gene and the Biology of Behavior."

"But there is no study I know of to ascertain whether this is a biologically based trait," Hamer said.

Simon LeVay agreed. He is a lecturer on neuroscience and author of "The Sexual Brain," a biological overview of sexuality.

"From a neurobiological basis, I just don't think this response has been researched at that level," LeVay said, "although it's something that should be."

Movie buff Hargreaves, who is straight and married, still isn't going to see "Brokeback Mountain." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

"To say that straight guys are missing out because they're unjustly turned off by the plot, well, there wasn't anything to turn them on in the first place," Hargreaves said. "At least `The English Patient' had a plane crash."

Jan. 5, 2006

(Dru Sefton can be contacted at dru.sefton@newhouse.com)

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To: silverleaf
But if they had made this movie about two lesbo cowgirls the theaters would be sold out. Right guys?

Well.... if they looked like Catherine Zeta Jones; where's my ticket.

If they look like Rosie O'Donnel..... forgetaboutit

241 posted on 01/05/2006 9:00:55 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
>>>"But there is no study I know of to ascertain whether this is a biologically based trait," Hamer said.

Words fail.

I know what you mean, but let me try.

No study huh? How about the study of human existence. The fact that we are by nature and design meant to be hetrosexual.

Basic human biology.

Therefore being repulsed by homosexuality would be the correct response to ensure the survival of the species.

Anything less would/should be considered a defect.

Where the hell did these people go to school?

242 posted on 01/05/2006 9:08:08 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


243 posted on 01/05/2006 9:47:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl (Monthly is the best way to donate to Free Republic!)
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To: Incorrigible

I don't say no thanks.

I say HELL NO!

Hook-em, Ted


244 posted on 01/05/2006 9:56:52 PM PST by Ted
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To: Incorrigible
"...At least by acknowledging it, that's a start. It's like saying, `I have a fear of heights."'

Yeah, but heights don't disgust me, either.

246 posted on 01/05/2006 10:38:14 PM PST by Tall_Texan (TEXAS LONGHORNS - 2005 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!)
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To: Brett66
What's next, re-education camps?

For the homosexuals, you mean? That's what they're afraid of, you know. Many are terrified of right-winger Bible-thumpers rounding them all up and sending them to those mythological reeducation camps like Mormons allegedly have with electrodes used in Saddam-style tortures. And, that doesn't even cover the so-called "ex-gay" ministries or Fred Phelps.

Fortunately, even through all the rhetorical fog, 25% of self-identified homosexuals vote Republican and voted for W in 2000. I haven't seen numbers for '04

247 posted on 01/06/2006 12:30:22 AM PST by newzjunkey (Let's get something done in 2006: Halt W's illegals' amnesty. Get GOP elected statewide in CA.)
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To: gondramB
Watching gay men would not be "chick-flickish" to this woman. I don't think it would turn on many women--but I'm old and think that men should be furry and women should be smooth.
248 posted on 01/06/2006 12:33:14 AM PST by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: BenLurkin

This straight woman is NOT INTERESTED in seeing two men violate their marriage vows, destroy their families and themselves through their acts of sodomy.
I am privileged to know many wonderful people who happen to be gay, but I have no desire to view their intimate relations. I can love the sinner and hate the sin. I don't need to see it portrayed on the big screen


249 posted on 01/06/2006 12:42:42 AM PST by antceecee
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To: Incorrigible
"These characters are too close to being regular guys"

But not quite regular! Everybody catch this subtle admission against interest?!
250 posted on 01/06/2006 12:48:38 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: silverleaf
But if they had made this movie about two lesbo cowgirls the theaters would be sold out. Right guys?

Apparently, they did, for "Thelma and Louise"

251 posted on 01/06/2006 12:51:38 AM PST by paulat
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To: AFreeBird
Repulsed by engaging in that behavior, you mean?

And yet heterosexual men are drawn to "lipstick lesbians."

You would no doubt claim that is because two women double a mans chance to procreate.

How do you explain the proliferation of oral and anal sex among heterosexuals? Is that not against nature and design as well?

252 posted on 01/06/2006 12:51:49 AM PST by newzjunkey (Let's get something done in 2006: Halt W's illegals' amnesty. Get GOP elected statewide in CA.)
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To: Incorrigible

Just "MANY"?

How about NONE?


253 posted on 01/06/2006 12:58:48 AM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Revolting cat!

At least Liberace was patriotic - going by that outfit anyways. More than you can say for a lot of HollyWeirdos these days

254 posted on 01/06/2006 1:27:37 AM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Echo Talon
Sheep herders a go go.
255 posted on 01/06/2006 1:48:56 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Incorrigible
Well...

Duh.

256 posted on 01/06/2006 1:56:55 AM PST by ExGeeEye (What a long, strange trip it's going to be...)
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To: gondramB
Smart move.

I saw "Bridges" on cable and thought it was a snoozer (and I like Clint Eastwood!).

Now "Black Hawk Down" or "We Were Soldiers," that's not only great movie making, but real tear jerkers.

257 posted on 01/06/2006 2:00:11 AM PST by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 12 Years)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Your welcome ! for use at your leasure ......


258 posted on 01/06/2006 2:18:30 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: newzjunkey
Fortunately, even through all the rhetorical fog, 25% of self-identified homosexuals vote Republican and voted for W in 2000. I haven't seen numbers for '04

But, 25% (??? - and I doubt that number! It seems way, way too high) of 2% is very few voters.

For all their claims, homosexuals are only 2-2.5% of the population.

259 posted on 01/06/2006 2:37:14 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Incorrigible
Maybe the movie just sucks.

No pun intended.

Really

260 posted on 01/06/2006 2:39:28 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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